Millitary hand to hand training question

[EmptyneSs]

yeah i knew u were a big mma fan. u must have watched alot of mma and ufc and be a big fan of it to now have it make u feel so insecure about your own training. also u can argue about what a bad idea it is to teach bjj to the army, but the fact is that techniques from this "sport" bjj is what is actually taught to the military, along with techniques from other "sports" like mt, boxing, and wrestling. in fact someone posted the us army hand to hand combat manual somwere on this site. all the techniques were from these "sport" arts as u like to say. it was all just straight jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, and muay thai.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

yeah i knew u were a big mma fan. u must have watched alot of mma and ufc and be a big fan of it to now have it make u feel so insecure about your own training. also u can argue about what a bad idea it is to teach bjj to the army, but the fact is that techniques from this "sport" bjj is what is actually taught to the military, along with techniques from other "sports" like mt, boxing, and wrestling. in fact someone posted the us army hand to hand combat manual somwere on this site. all the techniques were from these "sport" arts as u like to say. it was all just straight jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, and muay thai.

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Throughout the training they emphasize that it is not like the sport..."do not do this technique like the sport people do because" is a common theme in the training...its mindset and intent ...i have said it dozens of times.

you still chose not to answer the question that started your little hissy fit...
Would you recommend teaching flying armbars and buttflops to SF?

[Tom Yum]

This thread is turning into a pandamonium i.e. like the good old WWF days when a wrestling match got interuted by another wrestler jumping into the ring and beating the other one as he's about to win....then another one comes in....until you have about 15 guys in the ring swinging at each other with the occasional body slam or pile driver...

Anyhow, I've been told that the Marines use a system called L.I.N.E - Linear Involuntary Neurological Engagement..

They train several techniques that work from different styles until these techniques become 2nd nature. I think they borrow from about every MA style - thai style kicks, knees, judo, jiujitsu. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tom Yum]

I think the point that Boar is getting at is that they don't take any particular style, rather take techniques that work.

I gather that what you learn depends on what combat branch of the military you are in and when you are in it because new techniques probably come from new styles every decade or so.

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

OK, I have trained with one of the US armies instructors. As far as BJJ goes they teach very much self defence orintated stuff i.e Gracie Jiu Jitsu. They do not teach flying arm bars etc. It is kept very basic and very prctical. If you are really that interested in what they teach have a look att the link below. This "hopefully" may settle some of the arguments.

www.moderncombatives.org/pages/1/index.htm

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

This thread is turning into a pandamonium i.e. like the good old WWF days when a wrestling match got interuted by another wrestler jumping into the ring and beating the other one as he's about to win....then another one comes in....until you have about 15 guys in the ring swinging at each other with the occasional body slam or pile driver...

Anyhow, I've been told that the Marines use a system called L.I.N.E - Linear Involuntary Neurological Engagement..

They train several techniques that work from different styles until these techniques become 2nd nature. I think they borrow from about every MA style - thai style kicks, knees, judo, jiujitsu. Correct me if I'm wrong.

line was pulled...many felt it was TOO dangerous they replaced it with the new systems that emphasize less lethal (and useful) techniques.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I think the point that Boar is getting at is that they don't take any particular style, rather take techniques that work.

I gather that what you learn depends on what combat branch of the military you are in and when you are in it because new techniques probably come from new styles every decade or so.

bingo Tom you nailed it...grappeling and wrestling have been a part of military H2H longer than we have had a country...its how those techniques are employed that matters.

anyone seen the actual army program? Its GJJ without the sport components...it has great benifits over the older training system once you are on the ground, however the new system ignores weapons and the old combat judo throws that worked so well i think gjj SHOULD have been ADDED, not replaced the other systems

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Monk

OK, I have trained with one of the US armies instructors. As far as BJJ goes they teach very much self defence orintated stuff i.e Gracie Jiu Jitsu. They do not teach flying arm bars etc. It is kept very basic and very prctical. If you are really that interested in what they teach have a look att the link below. This "hopefully" may settle some of the arguments.

www.moderncombatives.org/pages/1/index.htm

Yeah, looks like they borrow from BJJ, as well as karate, taekwondo, judo and muay thai.

The training is probably different than a sports based grappling class, probably in intensity and selection of techniques; those pics of the Rangers look like they all get an opportunity to go at it full contact (till someone gets KO'd or passes out).