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Old 12-06-2005, 12:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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how does any of the branches of the U.S millitary train for hand to hand combat. Do they use similiar martial arts techniques or something different.
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From what i know diff branches use diff arts/methods.I know the the marines up in NC use a muay thai/boxing/karate/bjj structure modified to fit marine needs.
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how does any of the branches of the U.S millitary train for hand to hand combat. Do they use similiar martial arts techniques or something different.
The US army are putting in place a program called Modern Army Combatives. It includes Gracie Jiu Jitsu, MMA / Muay Thi for stand up and Stick/ Baton work. It's a good comprehensive program.

A large protion of the US Mariens, Seals, Rangers Etc have training in Gracie Jiu Jitsu as well.
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you know the military tactics forum might be a better place for a military H2H question, than the Sports forums....otherwise ALL youre gonna hear is about the sports that leaked into H2H training
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you know the military tactics forum might be a better place for a military H2H question, than the Sports forums....otherwise ALL youre gonna hear is about the sports that leaked into H2H training

They use GJJ as well as other stuff, but from what I heard from guys in the service is they learn moves to kill the opponent, crushing the throat and stuff like that
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They use GJJ as well as other stuff, but from what I heard from guys in the service is they learn moves to kill the opponent, crushing the throat and stuff like that
nice try oma Try to get some street cred anywhere you can
i believe the military addresses the fact you and your opponent SHOULD be armed...and hostile bad guys are on the way...also the military stresses losing means your life, not your title. torture and death await the soldier who loses a fight. "Better luck next time" with a slap on the back and a rule argument await the ring guy...big fucking difference...
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nice try oma Try to get some street cred anywhere you can
i believe the military addresses the fact you and your opponent SHOULD be armed...and hostile bad guys are on the way...also the military stresses losing means your life, not your title. torture and death await the soldier who loses a fight. "Better luck next time" with a slap on the back and a rule argument await the ring guy...big fucking difference...
In Basic Training we are only tought (Ground Fighting Tactics) GFT we are tought tiers 1-3 and that is all. In all there are something like 8 I think. Now when you get to your unit you are tought and or learn from others ( Useualy Sgts) how to fight. They will basicly tell you the fastest way to kill a man if you end up in hand to hand. For the most part ther is no art to it. It is just a mixing of anything and everything, taking out the crap that is useless and only keeping what works.
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i believe the military addresses the fact you and your opponent SHOULD be armed...and hostile bad guys are on the way...also the military stresses losing means your life, not your title. torture and death await the soldier who loses a fight. "Better luck next time" with a slap on the back and a rule argument await the ring guy...big fucking difference...

street cred lol. one guy in my BJJ class went and trained with the navy seals, yes the seals are from san diego, and he said they were impressed with his jiu jitsu and said the stuff that they knew was mostly moves to kill or maim and chokes, no flying armbars or anything. you werent in the military boar, so you dont know either. maybe you were who knows, what I do know is i carry a gun in the car these days, and one next to the bed...and i sleep well
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street cred lol. one guy in my BJJ class went and trained with the navy seals, yes the seals are from san diego, and he said they were impressed with his jiu jitsu and said the stuff that they knew was mostly moves to kill or maim and chokes, no flying armbars or anything. you werent in the military boar, so you dont know either. maybe you were who knows, what I do know is i carry a gun in the car these days, and one next to the bed...and i sleep well
Oh yeah the San Diego SEALS...huh, I thought they were the Navy Seals...that means they aint from san deigo...there are west coast teams...big deal.
and youre right they learn to maim and kill people...that is what warriors do. And yep youre also right, there are no butt flops or flying armbars...you know why? BECAUSE THAT FLASHY MMA SHIT WILL GET YOU KILLED. thanks for validating all my post jr like i needed it from you

just curious... are you saying the Navy isnt the military? or are you calling me a liar, tough guy?

BTW you still havent e mailed the pics of those 2 vipers...lol...and you forgot to mention the 2 big dogs you have for security...
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Oh yeah the San Diego SEALS...huh, I thought they were the Navy Seals...that means they aint from san deigo...there are west coast teams...big deal.
and youre right they learn to maim and kill people...that is what warriors do. And yep youre also right, there are no butt flops or flying armbars...you know why? BECAUSE THAT FLASHY MMA SHIT WILL GET YOU KILLED. thanks for validating all my post jr like i needed it from you

just curious... are you saying the Navy isnt the military? or are you calling me a liar, tough guy?

BTW you still havent e mailed the pics of those 2 vipers...lol...and you forgot to mention the 2 big dogs you have for security...
cuz homoplata is full of shit!
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look at boarspear trying to put down mma and bjj yet again.
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look at boarspear trying to put down mma and bjj yet again.
hey they have some great uses...teaching them to SF aint one of them...

Are you denying that teaching the butt flop and flying armbars to soldiers would be a diservice?

didnt Helio state Gjj wasnt good for self defense in the street as it is currently being taught in most schools? If it isnt safe for the street, why would i teach it to my military?
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Are you denying that teaching the butt flop and flying armbars to soldiers would be a diservice?

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hey they have some great uses...teaching them to SF aint one of them...

Are you denying that teaching the butt flop and flying armbars to soldiers would be a diservice?
did my post say anything about teaching or not teaching certain techniques to soldiers? again u are just responding to things people didnt even say. all i said was that u were trying to talk bad about mma and bjj like u do in most of your posts.
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did my post say anything about teaching or not teaching certain techniques to soldiers? again u are just responding to things people didnt even say. all i said was that u were trying to talk bad about mma and bjj like u do in most of your posts.
so you avoided the question i see you just came to bash me...thanks, be sure to give me bad rep points too sorry you dont like my input....damn freedom of speech thing.

but hey i have said it countless times before, MMA is the only sport i follow...its my favorite. i really like how they brought the average MA out of his stupor...thanks again.

The old navy v programs proved the worth of contact sports in building aggression. I agree, football, wrestling, boxing and judo are critical to building a good soldier...they will have him fit and used to contact ...now the military can teach him to kill.

however without the soldiers experience and extra training they only prepare you for the game youre playing...just like any other sport.
when people compete from school teams in events on ppv its inevitable that those schools specialize in the things that win those type encounters...some techniques are developed that would be suicide if attempted without those rules in place...thats due to the mind set of sports training, and it cant really be avoided. Thats how unsafe techniques leak into a style a water it down...

No doubt that MMA is the way to go if you want to be fit and compete, however it isnt the best option for self defense...why is that so hard to see?
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