Traditional Martial Arts VS. Modern Martial Arts

[danfaggella]

ITS A COMPUTER "ENTITY" WHO JUST TYPES RANDOM SHIT THAT BASICALLY PUTS YOUR LAST COMMENT IN QUESTION FORM.

Also, I don't hate kata necissarily, but I don't want to just be a flower fist, you knwo what i mean?

And yeah, TMA prepares you to kill people more than ring-oriented sportive modern MA, as far as technique goes.

[Sensei Saki]

Van Dam does coke and beats his girlfriend as far as I know is a COMPUTER ENTITY WHO JUST TYPES RANDOM SHIT THAT BASICALLY PUTS YOUR LAST COMMENT IN QUESTION FORM. I suppose that makes sense.Oh I get it. Thanks for explaining that.
Where do you get your ideas?Hurrah!
I've been waiting for you.

[danfaggella]

I've been waiting for you, too, baby.

[WmBlackstone]

Comparing traditional MA with modern MA is like comparing a Corvette with a Jeep Cherokee. If you need to drive through six inches of snow to get to work, leave the Corvette in the garage.

It depends upon your expectations. Studying a traditional MA should also lead you to develop an appreciation of the ancient culture that developed that particular style of fighting. A student of traditional MA can in many ways be considered an "artist" studying a cultural artifact.

Modern MA makes no such demands. A modern fighting style should be looked at solely for it's effectiveness in the real world - on the street - or in a ring and/or tournament.

I own a Jeep Cherokee, but I certainly bear no grudges against the owner of a Corvette.

[danfaggella]

A poetic and fair first post, friend.

[Ying-Lei]

因為您是，很粗魯我將去除我的崗位。

[jubaji]

That is not your real name, and English is your first language.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Looks like somebody used google translator lol.

[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by Ying-Lei

因為您是，很粗魯我將去除我的崗位。

So you took your post and left that crap in it's place? Cao ni zu zong shi ba dai

[Dave O]

Yes and No it comes down to training techniques...

Some traditional martial arts clubs do teach fitness and good "real fighting skills".... most don’t and not to the standards of an MMA club

Look at the bodies of MMA fighters... all good MMA fighters are athletes

Go down to your average TKD club, karate club, kung fu... and you will see some fatties..

All I am saying is, if your reasons for doing a martial arts class are the same as mine (you want to get fit and learn how to fight in "real situations") then do MMA. There are some martial arts that are modern and teach very "real" techniques but do not have much fitness, such as JKD and Krava Maga.

My issue with traditional martial arts, is it fills people with false confidence. You practice techniques that I refer to as "I punch here, then you move here and grab here, then i move this way.." Techniques. Its like you think fighting is a play of some sort!? you then walk up and down a gym dancing.. sorry i mean katas.. in your pyjamas and at the end of it you get a little pretty coloured belt and a head full of false hope that you might actually be able to fight!

If you do traditional martial arts for the art and culture, fine! If you do it becaue you like point scored sport, fine! but dont think you are a fighter by modern standards.. Take any sport and the current stars are infinitely better than they were 20 years ago, let alone 100s of years ago. Just like anything martial arts has evolved and the best now is MMA.. if it was traditional martial arts UFC fighters would be be traditional martial artists...

I did 3 years Karate and my girlfriend has a black belt in TKD. I have now taken up Muay Thai and MMA and am the fittest i have ever been and the most confident i can handle myself in a fight! The first thing I learnt was if I blocked a muay thai syle kick with a Karate block, I would break my arm...

If anyone replies quoting Lyoto Machida, i laugh in your face. he is a through and through mixed/modern martial artist and his karate is so far removed from traditional karate as to be no existent of its previous form!

[WildWest.]

Wow, there's something I didn't know!

[Kintanon]

Originally Posted by Eric Daniel

Are the Modern martial arts any more effective or better than traditional arts? What is your opinion?

There are NO modern martial arts, they are mouse traps.

I have heard many times that modern martial arts are better than traditional martial arts for living in todays violent world. However, I disagree with this because ancient Martial arts like karate and jujutsu were made for combat on the battlefield. I have heard many times that non-traditional martial arts are better than traditional martial arts for living in todays violent world. I do not really agree with this statement because traditional arts like karate were made for combat many years ago and I have read that most non-traditional arts have some kind of traditional martial art background. Does any one agree/disagree with either of these statements?
I don't think one martial art is better than another one either. I have a question that I have had trouble with for a couple weeks since I posted this topic:

How is a modern martial art determind and a traditional martial art determind, and how are they different? Are they different?
What are your opinions??

Sincerely, Eric Daniel

You have created a false dichotomy with your Traditional vs Modern distinction.
You would class Muy Thai, Wrestling, Boxing, Judo, and BJJ in the "Modern" classification while in reality Muy Thai, Wrestling, and Boxing are as old or older as Karate, Jujutsu, etc... Wrestling is, in fact, the oldest of all martial arts. The real distinction that you are looking at is one of training methods.
The arts I listed all train in ways which include regular sparring or competition against a fully resisting opponent in a fairly realistic manner. The training that they do tends to mimic the same movements that they use in competition and so each art has an effective delivery system for their techniques. In Muy Thai for example the round kick that you throw 1000 times against the pads is the exact same as the round kick you use in the ring or on the street. By contrast in TaeKwonDo the kicks that you use in your forms only superficially resemble the kicks used in sparring.
The rule sets under which those arts compete also reward more realistic behavior. To again pick on Taekwondo (Because I have a black belt in it) the sparring in TaeKwondo is under such drastically limited rules that it is of almost no use whatsoever outside of those rules. By comparison BJJ, Muy Thai, Boxing, etc... all translate from their own sport competitions into mixed rules sparring environments fairly smoothly.

Another distinction is the idea of "Deadly" techniques. Wing Chun is particularly guilty of this claiming that their techniques are too dangerous to spar with. Because of this their practitioners never really get to attempt to perform their techniques under pressure against a resisting opponent. Which means they WILL fail the first time they attempt those techniques in a self defense scenario. By contrast BJJ has equally "Deadly" techniques (Chokes are deadly, Neck Cranks potentially so, joint breaks, etc...) which they train with and compete using full speed against full resistance and simply stopping or releasing the lock before the damage is done.

The different is really and truly one of training methods and sparring ideology. If you take an art like Taekwondo and begin to train it in a manner closer to that of Muy Thai, and to spar with it in the same manner using hard contact, non stop sparring which allows low kicks as well as head and body kicks AND does decent hand work as well then you get a much much more combat effective art.