Defending against a hook kick?

**makiwara** · 12-14-2005, 02:23 PM

O.K. First I apologize if this is in the wrong category, just wasn't sure where to put it.

I have a friend in the military and stationed overseas, and he is coming to town in a couple of days. He and I both have quite a bit of martial arts exp., but he has always beaten me, bad. He is lightning fast and tends to lure me into side kicking him, wherein he counters with a hook kick over my side. So my question is: What is a good defence/counter to this scennario? I am tempted to grab his kick (if I can) and drop, taking out his support leg, and trying an ankle lock or leg bar, but his ground game is far superior to mine and his favorite place to fight is with his back on the ground, sometimes with his eyes closed.

**pstevens** · 12-14-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by makiwara

O.K. First I apologize if this is in the wrong category, just wasn't sure where to put it.

I have a friend in the military and stationed overseas, and he is coming to town in a couple of days. He and I both have quite a bit of martial arts exp., but he has always beaten me, bad. He is lightning fast and tends to lure me into side kicking him, wherein he counters with a hook kick over my side. So my question is: What is a good defence/counter to this scennario? I am tempted to grab his kick (if I can) and drop, taking out his support leg, and trying an ankle lock or leg bar, but his ground game is far superior to mine and his favorite place to fight is with his back on the ground, sometimes with his eyes closed.

How the heck does someone lure you into a side kick?... Puahahaha... hehehe... Sorry, excuse me...hehehe...

Well, let's evaluate your situation... Your opponent is faster than you are, probably stronger since he's a military person, has better kicking and ground game... So pretty much you're screwed.

**OmaPlata** · 12-14-2005, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=pstevens]Hprobably stronger since he's a military person, QUOTE]

why would being in the military make him stronger than anyone else who trains?

**eXcessiveForce** · 12-14-2005, 04:08 PM

well hard to say without seeing what he's doing but here are some ideas

change the tradjectory of the kick make the side kick go upward rather than straight.

Fake the side kick, pass the hook kick and then do what you want because he will be wide open.

Jam him up, as he kicks step in very tight.

Block the kick upward then kick the base leg.

Throw a side kick and at the last moment convert it to a teep kick and thrust the hip out and knock him back.

**bigred389** · 12-15-2005, 02:33 AM

[QUOTE=OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Hprobably stronger since he's a military person, QUOTE]

why would being in the military make him stronger than anyone else who trains?

The military has prescribed fitness standards that are on the whole higher than that of the civilian population as a whole.

Depends on how hard you train.

**Sensei Saki** · 12-15-2005, 02:33 AM

Thanks for the info.Really now that is an interesting fact I hadn't heard before.

**makiwara** · 12-16-2005, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by pstevens

How the heck does someone lure you into a side kick?... Puahahaha... hehehe... Sorry, excuse me...hehehe...

Well, let's evaluate your situation... Your opponent is faster than you are, probably stronger since he's a military person, has better kicking and ground game... So pretty much you're screwed.

True he's faster, but not by much. He's not stronger though He is in the navy, and I am about an inch or two taller than him and last I saw him he was about 5 lbs. lighter than me. He definitely has a better ground game than me, I've got good instincts on the ground, but not near enough training. Our kicking is pretty close except that he favors high kicks while I favor low kicks (his striking is mainly Korean, whereas mine is mainly Okinawin). After the laughter; I'll be damned if I get lured inito a side kick again

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Hey Excessive, Sorry but what is a teep kick?

I was talking to my wife (who also has more grappling exp. than me) and she gave me a few pointers on securing an ankle lock as we go down, I'm seriously tempted to try it just to see if I can pull it off.

Thanks every one for your advise, oh and Saki, you've got to take that pic off, It's distracting,lol.

**Hardball** · 12-16-2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by makiwara

O.K. First I apologize if this is in the wrong category, just wasn't sure where to put it.

I have a friend in the military and stationed overseas, and he is coming to town in a couple of days. He and I both have quite a bit of martial arts exp., but he has always beaten me, bad. He is lightning fast and tends to lure me into side kicking him, wherein he counters with a hook kick over my side. So my question is: What is a good defence/counter to this scennario? I am tempted to grab his kick (if I can) and drop, taking out his support leg, and trying an ankle lock or leg bar, but his ground game is far superior to mine and his favorite place to fight is with his back on the ground, sometimes with his eyes closed.

Either way, you win cause you pick up more sparring experience. I love to spar and I spar as many people as I can. It's not a real fight but It's still experience. Keep sparring and as many different people as possible.

**eXcessiveForce** · 12-16-2005, 10:21 AM

Teep is like a front kick, Chamber the knee high and instead of snapping the kick you push out with it. Extend the hip as you do it and it will thrust the person back. If they have one leg on the ground at the time they will hit the deck.

**makiwara** · 12-16-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

Teep is like a front kick, Chamber the knee high and instead of snapping the kick you push out with it. Extend the hip as you do it and it will thrust the person back. If they one have one leg on the ground and the time the will hit the deck.

Oh o.k. I have always referred to that as a front thrust kick. Thanks for the clarification.

**Hardball** · 12-16-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by makiwara

Oh o.k. I have always referred to that as a front thrust kick. Thanks for the clarification.

Yep me too. That is the beauty of Martial arts, so few original techniques so many different names. I learned the Front Thrust Kick as a white belt in Tae Kwon Do. I have also heard it called the pushing kick. I make contact the ball of my foot. Some prefer to make contact with the heel of the foot.

Another beautiful thing about martial arts is the different spellings for the same thing. Here are a few examples

Chi and Ki

wing chung and ving tsun

form and kata

My mind went blank there are so many more but it's not important right now, you understand what I am trying to say.

**shirase** · 12-16-2005, 06:47 PM

actually most of those are just translations into other languages

**Hardball** · 12-16-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by shirase

actually most of those are just translations into other languages

Yep I know, Korean, chinese and Japanese but I still think it's cool. I knew a ton of them but my mind went blank.

That's only supposed to happen in a fight; let your mind go blank and your training take over,.

**Tom Yum** · 12-16-2005, 07:16 PM

Jam his kicking leg with a push kick (teep). When he comes up in a side stance (like 90% of tkd fighters prefer), damage that front leg before he chambers with a hook kick.

If he's really fast, keep your hands up.

He might try to fake you out with a front snap kick that changes into a snap round kick. Keep your hands up and don't parry those front snap kicks (leaving your head wide open for that snap round house), block them with your elbow or knee instead then close the gap.

Never let him fight at a distance, allways be closing the gap, punish his legs with teep and thai kicks, then take him in boxing/grappling range.

**Garland** · 12-17-2005, 02:10 AM

if you can grab the kick, I'm assuming you can duck it, or at least lean out of the way. Do that and then thai kick the supporting leg, or teap the supporting leg. (not too hard, you don't want to break his leg.)

You can always cut kick. Have him hook kick, and then just take out his supporting leg by smashing a thai kick into his legs.

Push kick will work, put him out of range.

or just clinche him after you throw your kick, just fall into him and grab him, start tossing knees.

Or zone to a side and chair him. IF you don't want to go to the ground, then mimic Silva stomps. (or really do it, depending on how good of friends you are.)

Or...take the kick with your arms up. It's not as bad as taking a thai kick, by any means...just play raging bull with him for awhile.

These are just stand-up options...and only a few.
You could just step in with an overhand left and drop him too.***very good technique, works with thai kicks too.