bjj question

[blackbelt22]

i was wondering if anyone could give me any tips on passing the guard from someone who just lays back right when time starts and waits for you to come at them.any help is much appreciated.i've only been in bjj about a month and love it.

[shamster]

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying the person who has you in his guard is not doing anything at all? If that's the case, that would be the best time to pass the guard.
My instructor always tells us our first priority when inside someone's guard is to protect yourself from the various chokes, armbars, sweeps, etc that they can unleash on you. You want to be mindful of what his hands are doing, and be careful with what he does with his legs...especially if he slides on leg up your back and/or puts his feet on your hips.
Once you find a moment where you are safe from submissions and sweeps, you can work on passing the guard. However, if he starts to attack you, your safest bet is to stop the guard passing and protect yourself again.
There are many ways to pass the guard, which I'm sure you'll cover in class over time. Kind of hard to describe the exact motions on these posts.

[JkD187]

If you mean they sit back and play an open/butterfly like guard then a good pass is the under pass.Grab underneath their hamstrings and let yor hands slide up and grab his quads....thrust foward and let go of one leg(let go of the side your NOT passing on)duck your head under while controlling the leg and pass to side control.For passing the butterfly guard there is a pass known as the staple gun which is basicly the same pass you just grab and pass one leg instead of two.

[blackbelt22]

i mean we start on our knee when we roll instead of standing up and theres this one guy who just lays on his back and waits for me to come at him.

[armyscout43]

There are many ways to pass the guard or defend against it and brazilian jiu jitsu is nothing more than a sport. Many counters and offensive techniques to defeat a bjj practitioner.

Remember always attack their limps no matter what kind of lock. Whenever a grappler especially aground grappler executes a technique, he leaves a LIMB open, you attack those limbs. There is always a limb that is exposed. So gouging, finger or toes locks or breaks, pressure points, biting, spitting, scratching and counter offensive locks from head to toe is what you use for any ground technique such as a triangle or four squarel locks. Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing are all combinations one can use even when in the ground and in a locked position. There is a counter or multiple counters against anything. Most people just don't know or not knowledgeable enough or experienced enough in counterring the unknown. That's how you learn is thru experience. Making too much emphasis on bjj is ridiculous, the japanese jiu jitsu is more effective in real combat fighting and especially chinese shiau chiau and other chin na applications or JKD applications. If you want to be a successful fighter, you cannot have a limited and exclusive art and that is the problem with bjj only groups. when you come out of the box, you learn to develop more proficiently. I personally have toyed with the bjj fanatics. They go by rules, real combat has no rules.I have way too much personal and combat experiences. Best teachers are those filipinos and other world war 2 heroes who actually had to survive hand to hand combat including those who have real life situations in which they survive wherever they are from. You learn from them with what you can and apply it in your own progression. Never put a limit in your learning is the key and applying the JKD concepts and other related concepts is what expands your horizon.

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by armyscout43

There are many ways to pass the guard or defend against it and brazilian jiu jitsu is nothing more than a sport. Many counters and offensive techniques to defeat a bjj practitioner.

Remember always attack their limps no matter what kind of lock. Whenever a grappler especially aground grappler executes a technique, he leaves a LIMB open, you attack those limbs. There is always a limb that is exposed. So gouging, finger or toes locks or breaks, pressure points, biting, spitting, scratching and counter offensive locks from head to toe is what you use for any ground technique such as a triangle or four squarel locks. Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing are all combinations one can use even when in the ground and in a locked position. There is a counter or multiple counters against anything. Most people just don't know or not knowledgeable enough or experienced enough in counterring the unknown. That's how you learn is thru experience. Making too much emphasis on bjj is ridiculous, the japanese jiu jitsu is more effective in real combat fighting and especially chinese shiau chiau and other chin na applications or JKD applications. If you want to be a successful fighter, you cannot have a limited and exclusive art and that is the problem with bjj only groups. when you come out of the box, you learn to develop more proficiently. I personally have toyed with the bjj fanatics. They go by rules, real combat has no rules.I have way too much personal and combat experiences. Best teachers are those filipinos and other world war 2 heroes who actually had to survive hand to hand combat including those who have real life situations in which they survive wherever they are from. You learn from them with what you can and apply it in your own progression. Never put a limit in your learning is the key and applying the JKD concepts and other related concepts is what expands your horizon.

Wow it amazes me time after time how army/military/marine/navy people all say the same shit over and over again....dude BJJ is not overrated and is the best on the ground you can get.Biting and gouging dont do shit if your stuck under someone pounding your face in with punchs and elbows..espically if you have no ground exp at all.try hitting a "pressure point" or opening your mouth to bite or anything while being triangle choked because within 5 seconds you will be out cold.Go grapple with a legit blue belt in jits and you will be kissing the canvas many many times.Im glad you think japanese jiu jitsu works beter then bjj.....wheres the proof??? there are hundreds of videos proving otherwise....This isnt 1990 we know what works and what dose not theres no speculation anymore.I still dont get why traditionals(alot are military guys as well) dont understand the need to cross train....loosing face is one i can think of but its a little late for that insnt it.I still dont understand how you guys clam to fight hand to hand combat???? fighting with guns and knives is not hand to hand its CQC.....all the stuff you do dose no good in the "real world" what you guys do is for the battlefield not life.Once again they say otherwise because your all supposed bad asses.

[Mr. Arieson]

Geez, what a diatribe from a first poster!!

Anyway, just a quick aside...I am starting BJJ lessons soon. I am just trying to work up the nerve, because from all accounts, BJJ is very, very hard!!!

[treehugger]

There are many ways to pass the guard or defend against it and brazilian jiu jitsu is nothing more than a sport. Many counters and offensive techniques to defeat a bjj practitioner.

Remember always attack their limps no matter what kind of lock. Whenever a grappler especially aground grappler executes a technique, he leaves a LIMB open, you attack those limbs. There is always a limb that is exposed. So gouging, finger or toes locks or breaks, pressure points, biting, spitting, scratching and counter offensive locks from head to toe is what you use for any ground technique such as a triangle or four squarel locks. Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing are all combinations one can use even when in the ground and in a locked position. There is a counter or multiple counters against anything. Most people just don't know or not knowledgeable enough or experienced enough in counterring the unknown. That's how you learn is thru experience. Making too much emphasis on bjj is ridiculous, the japanese jiu jitsu is more effective in real combat fighting and especially chinese shiau chiau and other chin na applications or JKD applications. If you want to be a successful fighter, you cannot have a limited and exclusive art and that is the problem with bjj only groups. when you come out of the box, you learn to develop more proficiently. I personally have toyed with the bjj fanatics. They go by rules, real combat has no rules.I have way too much personal and combat experiences. Best teachers are those filipinos and other world war 2 heroes who actually had to survive hand to hand combat including those who have real life situations in which they survive wherever they are from. You learn from them with what you can and apply it in your own progression. Never put a limit in your learning is the key and applying the JKD concepts and other related concepts is what expands your horizon.

I live in an army town, and there is a pervasive jarhead attitude that just because they are trained with weapons they are badass unarmed fighters. I am sure some are, but those are the ones who are trained in fight sports like boxing, MT and wrestling/bjj/judo. Those who claim any of the afore mentioned fight styles are just sports don't get it and probably won't until some little bjj blue or purple belt gets ahold of them on the street and fucks them up. You mention Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing.... what the hell do you think, that just because I train bjj I will not use these things in the street? Wrong, and I will have a much better chance to be in a position to use them. Get a grip man, embrace reality. Go to an MMA gym and just challenge somebody, you will get your arse handed to you, guaranteed. And afterward, if you were to make a go of it in the parking lot with 'no rules', you would likely leave in an ambulance (I am talking one on one here). In a combat situation, gross motor skills rule, and bjj is flush with them. Traditional arts are more oriented to developing fine motor skills, which are pretty in demonstrations, but when some guy is going berzerk while attacking you, I will take the former thank you very much.

[treehugger]

Mr. Arieson is on a distinguished road

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Geez, what a diatribe from a first poster!!

Anyway, just a quick aside...I am starting BJJ lessons soon. I am just trying to work up the nerve, because from all accounts, BJJ is very, very hard!!!

No need to work up the nerve, dive in!! You will love it, I promise. I have never seen a club that did not welcome newcomers with open arms. Remember, by your joining, all the members are gaining one more training partner, which you can never have enough of, and every one of them knows it. Enjoy!

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by blackbelt22

i was wondering if anyone could give me any tips on passing the guard from someone who just lays back right when time starts and waits for you to come at them.any help is much appreciated.i've only been in bjj about a month and love it.

You have to try and get around him. That or just go into his guard and then pass it. Another way is lead with your knee right into his groin so he cant you into his guard, and you can slide your knee onto his stomach and then over to pass or get into his half guard. But since you are new, just try and pass . Lift him up, or stand and push his knees down, or stand and twist your hips so you drive your knee into his stomach, which will break the hold. be careful because you will get swept though

[OmaPlata]

[quote=armyscout43] There are many ways to pass the guard or defend against it and brazilian jiu jitsu is nothing more than a sport. Many counters and offensive techniques to defeat a bjj practitioner.QUOTE]

You are a total idiot and have never grappled with a BJJ practioner

[quote=armyscout43]:There is always a limb that is exposed QUOTE]

Yes yours, which will get snapped like a twig

[quote=armyscout43]:Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing are all combinations one can use even when in the ground and in a locked position.QUOTE]

Yes try biting or eye guaging, that way WHEN the BJJ guy gets your arm or chokes you he shows no mercy


[quote=armyscout43]:I personally have toyed with the bjj fanatics.
They go by rules, QUOTE]


Yes the rules are never quit till the opponent is out. You would be tap dancing faster than a Buddy Rich drum solo, Ive tapped out so many big tough marines than march in and think they rule the world, tap tap tap tap
True there is no rules, but you better be sure you are going to win before you start with the 'dirty' fighting

[shamster]

Originally Posted by armyscout43

Head butting, rolling, twisting, striking, kicking, kneeing are all combinations one can use even when in the ground and in a locked position.

I almost have to laugh everytime someone uses this argument against grappling. If a non-grappler is in an inferior position, but is able to resort to "cheap tactics", don't you think a grappler who has obtained a dominant position is capable of dirty tactics just the same? In fact, once you have some control of your opponent, you are in a better spot to use whatever tactics you want.

Also, try biting someone when you are being choked out. I guarantee it won't work too well. You will be struggling to even open your mouth, while you are halfway to being passed out.

[cam427]

Guys,

I think that armyscout43 is a troll. He made one post and all you guys responded. The best bet is to ignore him and hope he goes away.

Your best response is to get back on topic and try and help the guy who is getting caught in the guard.

I must say though, this line cracked me up "I have way too much personal and combat experiences" ha ha ha ha

Blackbelt22, just keep practising. You will find him very difficult to beat if he has a good guard and just falls into it but when you move into Vale Tudo or sparring with punches (assuming your club does this) you will find that he is leaving himself in a crap position. DO NOT COPY HIM just because he is beating you now. Always aim for a top position. If his game is this limited you will start to beat him anyway given enough practice.

Cam

[blackbelt22]

ok cool thanks