BJJ, OK, or WCKF

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

He already gave up....you can read his defeatest attitude in his post..."i can barely defend myself against one guy if he gets any help, im their bitch "

I was thinking the same thing, it doesn't sound like he's preparing himself for self defense at all. I would think that against multiple attackers you'd want to try to make enough room between them and yourself to improvise a weapon (or draw one you're carrying) and/or escape to safety. After all, you don't have to win, you just have to stay healthy until the fight is over. The odds might be against you but it's better than just letting them beat the shit out of you.

[bOoRadley]

Yeah, I would just give up...that's exactly what I said...

Can you stop being colossal tools for 2 seconds and try using some logic and common sense. How often do you think you're going to find yourself in a situation where you're facing one attacker never mind multiple attackers? Seriously? And if you're finding yourself in that situation often you have bigger issues to worry about than what martial art to study. You're obviously making some pretty poor lifestyle choices.

I can count the number of physical altercations I've had in my adult life on one hand (I'm 30) and I'm ashamed to admit that none of them were necessary, immaturity and ego just wouldn't allow me to walk away. Thankfully nothing disastrous happened, no one pulled a knife or a gun, no ones head was smashed open on a curb, no one ended up dead. Anytime you decide to settle an altercation with violence any of those scenarios could happen and you could end up fighting nightly to keep your cellmates cock out of your ass as you sit in prison for manslaughter. Or perhaps wearing a diaper and drooling because you have severe brain damage from having someone repeatedly jump on your head. The best self defense is to keep your wits about you, be cognizant of your surroundings, walk away whenever possible and avoid dodgy situations. Anyone who tells you anything different isn't worth listening to.

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improvise a weapon (or draw one you're carrying)

Sorry but I just couldn't let this one go...what person in their right mind carries a weapon? Where the hell do you live Baghdad? You reek of fear my friend.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

How often do you think you're going to find yourself in a situation where you're facing one attacker never mind multiple attackers? Seriously? And if you're finding yourself in that situation often you have bigger issues to worry about than what martial art to study. You're obviously making some pretty poor lifestyle choices.

This is incredibly naive. I don't know where you've spent your life but there are some very desperate and very bad people out there. Personally I live and work in a major city, and a quick google search tells me that there were 7922 violent crimes in my home town last year. Did all 7922 victims make poor lifestyle choices? Does going to the grocery store after dark constitute a poor lifestyle choice? The fact is anyone can become a victim at any time, you and me included.

I can count the number of physical altercations I've had in my adult life on one hand (I'm 30) and I'm ashamed to admit that none of them were necessary, immaturity and ego just wouldn't allow me to walk away. Thankfully nothing disastrous happened, no one pulled a knife or a gun, no ones head was smashed open on a curb, no one ended up dead.

It's admirable that you'd rather walk away; I would too. Do you think a meth head that's been awake for the last four days will let you walk away if he decides that he needs your wallet to buy some more shards? Do you have any idea how common crystal methamphetamine is these days or what it does to heavy users?

...perhaps wearing a diaper and drooling because you have severe brain damage from having someone repeatedly jump on your head.

This is exactly the sort of thing I hope to avoid by practicing a MA. That's what I mean by self-defense.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

Yeah, I would just give up...that's exactly what I said...

Can you stop being colossal tools for 2 seconds and try using some logic and common sense. How often do you think you're going to find yourself in a situation where you're facing one attacker never mind multiple attackers? Seriously? And if you're finding yourself in that situation often you have bigger issues to worry about than what martial art to study. You're obviously making some pretty poor lifestyle choices.

I can count the number of physical altercations I've had in my adult life on one hand (I'm 30) and I'm ashamed to admit that none of them were necessary, immaturity and ego just wouldn't allow me to walk away. Thankfully nothing disastrous happened, no one pulled a knife or a gun, no ones head was smashed open on a curb, no one ended up dead. Anytime you decide to settle an altercation with violence any of those scenarios could happen and you could end up fighting nightly to keep your cellmates cock out of your ass as you sit in prison for manslaughter. Or perhaps wearing a diaper and drooling because you have severe brain damage from having someone repeatedly jump on your head. The best self defense is to keep your wits about you, be cognizant of your surroundings, walk away whenever possible and avoid dodgy situations. Anyone who tells you anything different isn't worth listening to.

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Sorry but I just couldn't let this one go...what person in their right mind carries a weapon? Where the hell do you live Baghdad? You reek of fear my friend.

wow little miss prissy pants certainly got excited...so what part of fantasy land do you live in? No one ever attacks anyone where you live....no one ever hijacked a plane or invaded a home....so how far from the bad people do you live? .....what were the people doing wrong that got killed eating in lubys?

we are all so proud you and your cashmere gang wearing friends didnt hurt each other while tussling under the watchful eye of your nannies....



and one last thing what kind of person carries a weapon? one aware enough of his enviroment to realize there are dangerous people in it....even though your mommie assures you different.

[bOoRadley]

No one ever attacks anyone where you live

Actually yes they do, there are often fights in the city that I live in. Usually it's some moronic goon like you attacking another moronic goon because they feel they have something to prove. It's yet to happen to me.

no one ever hijacked a plane

No, thankfully my country doesn't have a vile, evil foreign policy that oppresses people for it's own gains and fuels deep hatred toward it's people.

or invaded a home

Actually home invasions happen quite frequently where I live. However I have never heard of one that wasn't aimed at ripping off a marijuana grow operation or or some other gang vendetta related nonsense. I do not have a marijuana grow operation and I am not in a gang so I don't worry too much.

what were the people doing wrong that got killed eating in lubys?

I have no idea what a "luby's" is but I can assure that I would never eat at a place called "luby's" so I guess I'm safe.

so what part of fantasy land do you live in?

Canada

how far from the bad people do you live?

Unfortuantely not far enough since 99% of the handguns used in crimes in my city come from the good old U.S. of A.

I find it amusing that you feel that because I don't ferret out confrontations and feel no need to prove my masculinity by having senseless physical altercations that I am a "prissy pants"? I think I'm beginning to understand why you need to carry weapons.

[bOoRadley]

The fact is anyone can become a victim at any time, you and me included.

You're the naive one my friend but don't worry your not alone, many north americans live in a state of fear due to their misguided belief that the world is this big scary place where "anyone can be a victim at any time". In reality the facts are quite different, violent crime rates are actually at their lowest in decades, rape is down, murder is down, assaults are down. There has been a slight increase in drug related offences due to the increased focus of law enforcement but for the most part our cities are much safer than they have been in a long time.

If you want to buy into the culture of fear you go right ahead. You wont have to look far to find someone to cower with you under the bed.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

No, thankfully my country doesn't have a vile, evil foreign policy that oppresses people for it's own gains and fuels deep hatred toward it's people.

Hey, if you can't you can't win the arguement you're in you can always change the subject to politics and argue about that

Actually home invasions happen quite frequently where I live. However I have never heard of one that wasn't aimed at ripping off a marijuana grow operation or or some other gang vendetta nonsense. I do not have a marijuana grow operation and I am not in a gang so I don't worry too much.

So no one ever gets their front door kicked in and their TV stolen where you live? No one ever gets raped? Or do you just not think about it because bad things are only supposed to happen to other people? A google search told me that there were 300,000 violent crimes reported in Canada in 2004 so obviously there's no lack of bad guys where you're from.

I have no idea what a "luby's" is but I can assure that I would never eat at a place called "luby's" so I guess I'm safe.

Right, the restaurants you eat in have different names so that makes them safe


If you believe this:

You're the naive one my friend but don't worry your not alone, many north americans live in a state of fear due to their misguided belief that the world is this big scary place where "anyone can be a victim at any time". In reality the facts are quite different, violent crime rates are actually at their lowest in decades, rape is down, murder is down, assaults are down. There has been a slight increase in drug related offences due to the increased focus of law enforcement but for the most part our cities are much safer than they have been in a long time.

If you want to buy into the culture of fear you go right ahead. You wont have to look far to find someone to cower with you under the bed.

then why would you say this:

...99% of the handguns used in crimes in my city come from the good old U.S. of A.

You just admited that people use weapons to commit crimes where you live. So even though you recognize that violent crimes do happen you still don't feel the need to protect yourself. Right, I'm the naive one.

I find it amusing that you feel that because I don't ferret out confrontations and feel no need to prove my masculinity by having senseless physical altercations that I am a "prissy pants"? I think I'm beginning to understand why you need to carry weapons.

I'm not talking about senseless bar fights that get broken up by bouncers or some silly frat boy nonsense I'm talking about situations that you had no control over. If you don't think it can happen to anyone you're fooling yourself. I'm going to ask you again; have you ever seen someone who's strung out on meth? I do harm reduction volunteer work so I have a lot of first hand experience with heavy drug users. Believe me there are far more of them than most people want to admit (in other words some live in your town too ) and they can be extremely unpredictable. I don't have anything to prove to anyone, and I really don't understand why you want to make this about a bunch of macho B.S.. There are plenty of confrontations that you might have to deal with without ever "ferreting them out".

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

You're the naive one my friend but don't worry your not alone, many north americans live in a state of fear due to their misguided belief that the world is this big scary place where "anyone can be a victim at any time". In reality the facts are quite different, violent crime rates are actually at their lowest in decades, rape is down, murder is down, assaults are down. There has been a slight increase in drug related offences due to the increased focus of law enforcement but for the most part our cities are much safer than they have been in a long time.

If you want to buy into the culture of fear you go right ahead. You wont have to look far to find someone to cower with you under the bed.

Let me guess you dont study martial arts for self defense....you are a sport player right?...you believe the bad things only happen to bad people line...enjoy your fantasy land....

so the world is a safer place every day huh?...

America only has trouble because we are a violent drug infested society and we oppress the world huh?

wow i didnt realize how many 80 yr old pot growing gangsters we had in america....Many of our home invasion victims are senior citizens or college girls...not pot growing gangsters

The right to bear arms is there for a reason....its our patriotic duty to carry...just like its our duty to serve jury duty and vote...its a right...and a duty. You live in canada, its your duty to buy into the socialist crap they spew, sounds like you're a good citizen.

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Let me guess you dont study martial arts for self defense....you are a sport player right?...you believe the bad things only happen to bad people line...enjoy your fantasy land....

so the world is a safer place every day huh?...

America only has trouble because we are a violent drug infested society and we oppress the world huh?

wow i didnt realize how many 80 yr old pot growing gangsters we had in america....Many of our home invasion victims are senior citizens or college girls...not pot growing gangsters

The right to bear arms is there for a reason....its our patriotic duty to carry...just like its our duty to serve jury duty and vote...its a right...and a duty. You live in canada, its your duty to buy into the socialist crap they spew, sounds like you're a good citizen.

Ahmen brother....o and boar whats internal alchemy?

[bOoRadley]

The point I was trying to make is that all this arguing about which MA is best for self defense, fighting multiple attackers, beating up your dad, whatever...it's all stupid.

If protecting yourself is all you're after go take a woman's self defense course at the YWCA...they'll teach you to instinctively attack the throat, gouge the eyes, headbutt, use elbows and knees and lots of other "techniques" to disable an "attacker" as quickly as possible. Hell it would probably help you in a street fight a hell of a lot faster than than any martial art. You'll even get a cool whistle to blow whenever you're in trouble


I think if you look at whatever MA you choose to study it as a sport and do your best to become fit and excel at it you will reap the benefit of being able to handle yourself very well if the situation arises.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

No, thankfully my country doesn't have a vile, evil foreign policy that oppresses people for it's own gains and fuels deep hatred toward it's people.

Canada

Ah yes, you have the security born of being a citizen of such an insignificant jerk-water nothing of a country that no one would bother with you even if you weren't enjoying the benefit and protection of your far superior neighbor.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by JkD187

Ahmen brother....o and boar whats internal alchemy?

Its the name of my school ...people asked what styles i did and what i did for a living so i posted my school logo

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Its the name of my school ...people asked what styles i did and what i did for a living so i posted my school logo

O ok thanks for clearing that up bro.

[treehugger]

Ah yes, you have the security born of being a citizen of such an insignificant jerk-water nothing of a country that no one would bother with you even if you weren't enjoying the benefit and protection of your far superior neighbor.

Jubaji, you are such a pitiful halfwit I almost let this slide, but I will comment anyway. I have nothing against Americans (I actually admire the can-do attitude that most seem to have), but people like you give the country a bad name. If Canada is so insignificant, why is the USA driving so hard at our natural resources? Canada is a great country, we simply do not have the population the US has. Why don't you go over to your boyfriend's place and get down on all fours where you belong, we all know you want to!

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by treehugger

If Canada is so insignificant, why is the USA driving so hard at our natural resources? -

Be thankful we haven't decided to just take them outright...yet.