Look, I just want some opinons on HKD hand tech. - Page 3

**Hardball** · 12-24-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

All I want are some honest opinons on the hand skills of Hapkido. Unlike TKD, does HKD teach good hand work, open and closed?

TKD kick to hand ratio is like 70 -30 these days. Is HKD more like 50 -50?

I don't want the nasty comments. I understand I am disliked around here but this is a legitimate question.

You're asking for a biased opinion by putting it in the mma/brazillian forumn. I would have posted this in the Korean forumn.

medic06 · 12-24-2005, 04:48 PM

You're definitely in the wrong forum for this but I will attempt to answer your question.

Truth is that if you ask this question to 10 different hapkido practioners you will get 10 different answers. The early proponents of Hapkido cross trained in various arts such as Tae Kyun, Tae Kwon Do, Kuk Sul, Yu Sul, Yudo, Judo, Jujitsu Karate, SSsirum, Mongolian Wrestling, the list goes on and on. Most Hapkido traces its lineage back to Choi, Young Sul who taught Dae Dan Ryu Yu Sul (Daito Ryu Aikijutsu).

My teacher started his MA training in Judo/Jujitsu so our school was a bit unusual in that we tend to go to the ground more readily and we trained against progressive resistance.

Striking to kicking ratio is hard to pin down, we problably use more open hand strikes.

As far as fine motor movements being ineffective in a real fight, that is correct. If you are using fine motor movements for joint locking then you are not training properly.

Tom Yum · 12-24-2005, 05:23 PM

Like medic said, it depends on whom you train with.

If you train in someone who sticks with a traditional lineage, the hand techniques are allmost identical to karate styles: lunge punch, reverse punch, ridge hand, palm, spear hand, knife hand, spear etc.

These strikes are mostly used to inflict maximal damage by striking at weak spots or as counter strikes to close the gap and get a joint lock.

If you train in the more combative hapkido, you'll probably get some boxing techniques mixed in with your knife hand, hammer fist and some elbow work.

KDH · 12-24-2005, 05:24 PM

I know that. Thank you all for your kidn advice. But that's not what I asked.

Taekwondo lacks emphasis on hand techniques. But does Hapkido teach good hand technique and put them into practice?

medic06 · 12-24-2005, 05:40 PM

You answer is: it all depends on where you train

SamuraiGuy · 12-24-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

Bruce Lee - TMA
Oyama - TMA
Sirasoni - TMA.
Hee Il Cho - Tma.

Let me know when you can beat people of their caliber.

heh, noticed noone answered this question with a quick scan through... so let me just have a go...

Bruce Lee... Matt Hughes could take em, GSP too, no doubt in my mind on either..

Fedor could knock the shit out of any of the others, same with big nog and mirko cro cop, arvloski could prolly do it too,

Rich Franklin could prolly knock some sense into them too, Im not sure about the others weights... but I guess weight isnt a factor because of the TMA and no weight classes in that.... Wandy silva could destroy some of these people... ahh who else... really any of the top mma guys could maul these guys your mentioning..

blitz · 12-24-2005, 05:48 PM

You don't know that for sure but yeah you could be right.

Tom Yum · 12-24-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

I know that. Thank you all for your kidn advice. But that's not what I asked.

Taekwondo lacks emphasis on hand techniques. But does Hapkido teach good hand technique and put them into practice?

I explained that traditional hapkido uses hand techniques to stun, damage and set up joint locks.

Why not enroll in a hapkido school for a year and see for yourself?

KDH · 12-24-2005, 07:21 PM

What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

Testosterone · 12-24-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

GO FIND OUT!

medic06 · 12-24-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

No, only you can do that. You need to put some faith in yourself and not look to some style to be a cure all.

IPON · 12-24-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

you may need a differnt dojang TKD has alot of strikes. maybe talk with your instructor or go to a boxing gym. As Tom said there are alot of strikes and they are used to damage and set-up other techniques. It difficult to give a percentage of strikes/kicks/locks/throws and it should not matter HKD is for SD

KDH · 12-24-2005, 08:31 PM

So all in all Hapkido is an effective system, in your opinions, no?

And to you people who think Matt Hughes would haven beaten Bruce... please..... wake up from your UFC dream.... please. do the MA world a favor and stop deluding yourselves. the best fighters of humankind existed before UFC was ever even thought of. go educate yourselves and don't base your views on shitty TMA artists that chose to jump into the octagon

jubaji · 12-24-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

Oh, you must have been trained at one of those 'mcdojangs'. You should go to Korea where every single TKD training center is the toughest place on earth, then your hand skills would be super deadly.

jubaji · 12-24-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KDH

And to you people who think Matt Hughes would haven beaten Bruce... please..... wake up from your UFC dream.... please. do the MA world a favor and stop deluding yourselves. the best fighters of humankind existed before UFC was ever even thought of. go educate yourselves and don't base your views on shitty TMA artists that chose to jump into the octagon

Are you happy now? This little speech is what you wanted from this thread (and every other thread you've started)all along, wasn't it?

12-24-2005, 05:23 PM	#33 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,307 Groans: 1 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts	Kdh..... Like medic said, it depends on whom you train with. If you train in someone who sticks with a traditional lineage, the hand techniques are allmost identical to karate styles: lunge punch, reverse punch, ridge hand, palm, spear hand, knife hand, spear etc. These strikes are mostly used to inflict maximal damage by striking at weak spots or as counter strikes to close the gap and get a joint lock. If you train in the more combative hapkido, you'll probably get some boxing techniques mixed in with your knife hand, hammer fist and some elbow work. __________________ Love it, leave it or fix it.

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12-24-2005, 04:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
medic06 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,028 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You're definitely in the wrong forum for this but I will attempt to answer your question. Truth is that if you ask this question to 10 different hapkido practioners you will get 10 different answers. The early proponents of Hapkido cross trained in various arts such as Tae Kyun, Tae Kwon Do, Kuk Sul, Yu Sul, Yudo, Judo, Jujitsu Karate, SSsirum, Mongolian Wrestling, the list goes on and on. Most Hapkido traces its lineage back to Choi, Young Sul who taught Dae Dan Ryu Yu Sul (Daito Ryu Aikijutsu). My teacher started his MA training in Judo/Jujitsu so our school was a bit unusual in that we tend to go to the ground more readily and we trained against progressive resistance. Striking to kicking ratio is hard to pin down, we problably use more open hand strikes. As far as fine motor movements being ineffective in a real fight, that is correct. If you are using fine motor movements for joint locking then you are not training properly.

12-24-2005, 05:24 PM	#34 (permalink)
KDH Guest Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 79 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know that. Thank you all for your kidn advice. But that's not what I asked. Taekwondo lacks emphasis on hand techniques. But does Hapkido teach good hand technique and put them into practice?

12-24-2005, 05:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
medic06 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,028 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You answer is: it all depends on where you train

12-24-2005, 07:21 PM	#39 (permalink)
KDH Guest Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 79 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What am asking is... what HKD make up for my TKD inadequices with hands.

12-24-2005, 08:31 PM	#43 (permalink)
KDH Guest Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 79 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So all in all Hapkido is an effective system, in your opinions, no? And to you people who think Matt Hughes would haven beaten Bruce... please..... wake up from your UFC dream.... please. do the MA world a favor and stop deluding yourselves. the best fighters of humankind existed before UFC was ever even thought of. go educate yourselves and don't base your views on shitty TMA artists that chose to jump into the octagon

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