Judo questions

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

Actually reading 4 Judo books and reading stuff on the internet (here and at other sites, such as judoinfo.com) give me knowledge that I feel is relyable enough to give adviseon the topic. I also grapple with this Judo once a month or so (he shows up at URI's MMA club now and again) and I've seen his ground technique and takedowns myself. Also, much of the "BJJ" stuff I use is actually Judo technique as well.

Also, agreed with Tant, Judo is fine for self defence and has many techniques useful on the street.

As you were....


danfaggella>>"I wish I knew more about Judo and if Kano intended it to be only sport with no strikes/ dirty self-defence"... and: "You won't find and foot locks or inside-out twisting superduper neck crank attacks, but you'll learn effective chokes and uppoer-body joint manipulation



Kano Jigoro Sensei>>>"The word jujutsu and judo are each written with two Chinese characters. The ju in both is the same and means "gentleness" or "giving way." The meaning of jutsu is "art, practice," and do means "principle" or "way," the Way being the concept of life itself. Jujutsu may be translated as "the gentle art," judo as "the Way of gentleness," with the implication of first giving way to ultimately gain victory. The Kodokan is, literally, "the school for studying the Way." As we shall see in the next chapter, judo is more than an art of attack and defense. It is a way of life."


(nothing about it being just a sport, eh?)



The neck is an upper body joint... actually the neck is a series of joints and Kano knew and taught ways to break it, hyper extend it and twist/crank it...

Keep on reading.

KUBI-HISHIGI, OSAE-HISHIGI, GYAKU-HISHIGI, TOMOE-HISHIGI, and KESA-GATAME-KUBI-HISHIGI


(That's judo for "neck cranks")

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by jubaji

You're kidding, right?

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You may not be the favorite Ju but you are funny!


Unless he's ever been taught the Katame No Kata he probably wouldn't know much about Ashi Garami? Leg entanglement lock(s)...

At least he recognizes the Ju in BJJ.

[danfaggella]

I told what I know, not what I'm skeptical about, what advise did I give that was wrong? (notice I'm not getting personal). Obviously there are things in any martial art tht cant be read from books and things any master may not know with certainty, but these things aren't the things I'm going to pretent do know.

[danfaggella]

Also notice how I said you aren't going to find some super-duper inside-out neck crank, or something to that extent. Meaning, nothing crazy and flashy. Obviously Judo has neck cranking techniques, but I've never seen (in a book, online, or in competition) anything that is over the top strange (like the "surf board" or some crazy airborne spinning foot lock you might see in submission grappling).

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

Also notice how I said you aren't going to find some super-duper inside-out neck crank, or something to that extent. Meaning, nothing crazy and flashy. Obviously Judo has neck cranking techniques, but I've never seen (in a book, online, or in competition) anything that is over the top strange (like the "surf board" or some crazy airborne spinning foot lock you might see in submission grappling).

What the hell does "super-duper inside out" mean? A neck crank is a neck crank, regardless of how you get there. A matter of transition, not technique. There are only so many ways to apply torque.

You can say whatever you like about Judo but if you say Judo doesn't have this or that you might be ready to quote your sources in case some guy that actually played the game happens to read it.


"A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when from any cause or causes he may become unconscious."

Kano Judo Contest Rules

[danfaggella]

I'm saying that those transitions and positions are generally much simpler and less flashy than yo might see in other grappling. I don't think that is wrong personally, I think thats how Judo competition generally is, though surely some flashy crazy submissions/setups have occured in Judo, they are generally rather simple.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

Actually reading 4 Judo books and reading stuff on the internet (here and at other sites, such as judoinfo.com) give me knowledge that I feel is relyable enough to give adviseon the topic.

do u even realize how much there is to judo? because if u did u would also have realized that checking out sites on judo info and the internet in fact arent enough to make u feel like u should be giving advice on the topic. judo info may give u a basic technique too look at online, or shows an animiation of a throw but that in no way makes u proficient in judo and proficient in executing throws. u need to learn your own ways to set up these throws and trick people into them. same for bjj, u need to develope your own transitions and setups. ways that are most comfortable for you, and these are all developed during tons of experience in rolling/randori. u cant learn that from videos/ internet. this is also the point of a "sport " martial art. unlike many tma methods, they allow you to develope your own ways of making a martial art work, as opposed to everyone doing the same thing. it weeds out the stuff that doesnt work for you, and lets u develope the stuff that does. judokas may know all the throws, but use only a few that they do best all the time.

btw, a proper collar choke can put so much torque on your neck its rediculous. the basic 1 collar choke from behind can crank the neck real hard when done right. Tanto, do u know if its possible to break the neck with the simple 1 handed collar choke as well? ive always let go, cause obviously i dont wanna hurt my partner, but do u know if it can be done?

[Tant01]

My guess is yes but honestly, I've never tried to break one (on a human).

That's why they don't usually start teaching dislocation techniques untill you reach brown belt.

[danfaggella]

"do u even realize how much there is to judo? because if u did u would also have realized that checking out sites on judo info and the internet in fact arent enough to make u feel like u should be giving advice on the topic. judo info may give u a basic technique too look at online, or shows an animiation of a throw but that in no way makes u proficient in judo and proficient in executing throws. u need to learn your own ways to set up these throws and trick people into them. same for bjj, u need to develope your own transitions and setups. ways that are most comfortable for you, and these are all developed during tons of experience in rolling/randori. u cant learn that from videos/ internet. this is also the point of a "sport " martial art. unlike many tma methods, they allow you to develope your own ways of making a martial art work, as opposed to everyone doing the same thing. it weeds out the stuff that doesnt work for you, and lets u develope the stuff that does. judokas may know all the throws, but use only a few that they do best all the time.

btw, a proper collar choke can put so much torque on your neck its rediculous. the basic 1 collar choke from behind can crank the neck real hard when done right. Tanto, do u know if its possible to break the neck with the simple 1 handed collar choke as well? ive always let go, cause obviously i dont wanna hurt my partner, but do u know if it can be done?"

Refer to the post 4 posts above this ^ one.

As I said, I gave general information that most people would agree on, not stuff I am unsure of, I didn't assume anything and none of the stuff I used as advise was wrong, I think most people would agree with the advise, not to say I can give advise on all topics of MA or even Judo, but I can surely give basic background and info stuff, tell me if my advise was incorrect I'll always fix it.