Sambo?

[bigboywasim]

I was just thinking and I want to know something. Is a preson who does sambo hard to take down like a western wrestler and if a sambo expert can easily take down a western wrestler. I know it is somewhat difficult for a BJJ expert to take down a wrestler with no such backround. I think a Judo expert can take down a wresler without much trouble. I want to know what you guys think. I do BJJ and MT. I want to learn other styles as well. There is only so much you can take. I am going to take wester boxing for my second strike art. What would be good with BJJ. Sambo, wrestling or Judo.

[SamuraiGuy]

You think a judo guy can take down a wrestler without much trouble... is this without a gi.. or with a gi... seeing as how you didnt mention that they would be wearing gi's I will assume without...

Are you kidding?... Jeez..

I know it depends on the person but really... Judo isnt better than wrestling and wrestling isnt better than Judo but its an untrue statement that you made.

In no gi though wrestling is far superior... if Matt hughes had fought Karo I could provide that as a definitive example.. but since they havent, Ill use GSP who is a wrestler.. who beat Karo...

No gi wrestling would kill...

Fedor is the only successful MMA sambo user I know, but he also knows a ton of Judo.. so that wouldnt really count...

[bigboywasim]

I look at Yoshida when I talk about Judo. He seems to takedown some of the wrestlers he fought without too much trouble. I know that even he had trouble some times. So my guess is you pick wrestling from Judo and Sambo. Nice choice and I think I might pick it as well. I want to get more thoughts on this. I would have to agree that wrestling is better without GI but with a GI then it is not so. I would have to disagree on Sambo it is not as weak as you seem to make it. I think Andre Arlovski uses Sambo quite well don't you think?

[danfaggella]

For crying out loud nobody is putting anthing above anything else. However, if you are specifically looking to better yourself as a martial artist, Judo is generally more martially related. In wrestling you are always trying to pin, in Judo at least these are some submissions and striking. However, wrestling has very valid no-gi properties that can be applied not just to MMA but to actual combat. With a little tweeking of classic wrestling technique, the takedowns and contolling positions and general feel for the grappling game can be achieved and use in MMA or on the street.

Sambo combines plenty of other grappling arts allong with the countless traditional wrestling styles of old mother Russia. I like sambo stuff and I sure wsh I could get into it. It involves a lot of leg-lock stuff, and incorperated a whole lot of stuff into its system, when Judo traditionally has X number of throws, X number of grappling techniques, X number of strikes, ect... (not that one is intrinsically bette than the other)

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

For crying out loud nobody is putting anthing above anything else. However, if you are specifically looking to better yourself as a martial artist, Judo is generally more martially related.


Judo traditionally has X number of throws, X number of grappling techniques, X number of strikes, ect... (not that one is intrinsically bette than the other)

Quite true. However as we can see by looking at modern grappling arts (influenced or descended directly from Judo) like the venerated BJJ/GJJ and Sambo, it becomes clear that the base techniques have many (MANY) variations in tactics, transition, position and application.

Anyone that makes an art their own can use the techniques in new or innovative ways. With or without a Gi. The training methods of these styles still owe a lot to Kano Sensei...

IMHO

[SamuraiGuy]

For the record you took my post to mean wrestling is better than Judo, and sambo is worse than both of them..

I dont think thats true, as I said they are just different...

In mma judo seems to be more effective in pride, and wrestling in UFC, this has alot to do with the cage in UFC, and lack there of in Pride.

Neither is better... I've done some wrestling, and I've done some Judo and I think I may do some more Judo to tell you the truth... I live in Canada and we wear coats and pants more often than shorts and t shirts..

[bigboywasim]

Thank you guys for your thoughts on this.

[danfaggella]

No problemo, I recomend (in the spirit of your developement as a martial artist) to test it all, and use what works well, and discard the rest..... hurray for sayings that sound just like Bruce Lee

Read up on stuff, just keep pulling in concepts and principals and technique.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

For the record you took my post to mean wrestling is better than Judo, and sambo is worse than both of them..

I dont think thats true, as I said they are just different.....

Who took your post that way? Not me. It doesn't really matter to me what anyone thinks about some thing or some other thing...

Judo has a lot to offer a martial artist. Wrestling has something to offer and Sambo something else...

You will find elements of Judo in almost every other (modern) combat art on the planet.... wonder why?

Now I won't tell you Judo is better than wrestling because that depends on how much we enjoy it. But if you look at the modern grappling craze, really look, you will see a lot of good Judo. And wrestling!

[mthand]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

Thank you guys for your thoughts on this.

I would like to know what you have chosen to get into as your next art. I think Sambo compliments BJJ very well. It has judo and wrestling mixed in there. Are you looking to just improve ground game? Because the Combat aspect of Sambo is good for street self defense also. I have done TMAs for many years. I also do GJJ and Sambo at two different acadamies. They compliment eachother very well in my opinion. Whatever suits your individual needs use it to your advantage.

[bigboywasim]

Yes, my goal is to improve my ground game as well as street self-defense. I have chosen to do sambo as my second grappling art. I love the real self-defense usefulness of it. I have done a lot of research and want to know more. If you guys can help me I will really be grateful.

[mthand]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

Yes, my goal is to improve my ground game as well as street self-defense. I have chosen to do sambo as my second grappling art. I love the real self-defense usefulness of it. I have done a lot of research and want to know more. If you guys can help me I will really be grateful.

If you can, check out Igor Yakimov site for videos, or check on Vladislav Koulikov videos. I use these for reference and they help a lot. Vladislav Koulikov has an academy somewhere on the east coast( I think). If you live on that side maybe you could check him out.

[SifuUga]

[QUOTE=bigboywasim]Yes, my goal is to improve my ground game

Sambo would be a nice choice. The drills are quite nice. You will see a broad approach to the ground game. It will give you more options to play with. I was lucky enough to train for a short while with a sambo guy. I was impressed. Good drills and good counters. I might also add that if you already have a ground game your western boxing may improve your overall game better.

[EmptyneSs]

sambo is based on judo. wasnt the founder of sambo a judo blackbelt?

[mthand]

Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

sambo is based on judo. wasnt the founder of sambo a judo blackbelt?

Yes the founders of judo were judo practitioners. The throws are all the same. There are differences between the two sports, such as in sambo you cannot choke including with the kurtka(gi), leg locks are legal, and they have a longer ground time as compared to judo.