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    Proven Effective Techniques

    Hi,

    Attempting to come to some kind of a consensus on those techniques that are most valuable, what are the most effective and prevalent knockout/submission techniques in competitions that allow grappling, elbows, knees, etc.?

    It seems like the jab/cross result in a lot of knockouts.

    It also seems as though the straight arm bar and rear choke result in quite a few submissions.

    What do you think are the most effective knockout/submission techniques?

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    Well, in MMA it is one man on another man with no weapons, bounderies, time limits, and no dirty tactics.

    But yes, in MMA wins generally come from:
    -Pounding on someone from the mounted position
    -Basic strait punches
    -Rear naked chokes
    -Strait armbars
    -Numerous leg kicks that either end the fight or make the opponent extreemly week

    If we wanted to see what would work in the same situation, just in the STREET, we would have to have too many death matches for it to be worth it, I believe that eye/groin attacks would be very prevolent in such instances if one knows how to exicute such a move. However, these MMA-effective techniques are surely valid in the street, RNC is just so easy when the other guy doesn't grapple, no matter how huge he may be.

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    submission wise - rear chokes and cross-locks

    Hand strikes - Uppercuts and hooks

    Leg Wise - basic knees, leg kicks and roundhouse
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    I'm going to disagree with the hand strikes, I beleive that strait punches are most economical and effective especially in MMA/the street. They are most accurate and are very quick (shortest distance between two points...). Also, hooks and uppercuts aren't even the most important punches in BOXING, and in MMA/the street, clinching isn't broken up, so in a fight, hook/uppercut range often turns into takedown and tie up range.

    I beleive that it is undenyable that the JAB is the workhouse punch in martial arts, and the CROSS is responsible for more knockouts than any other punch in MMA, which also says something significant.

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    actually hooks produce more knockouts than any other punch, just because of the way it snaps your head to the side real fast which causes the ko.

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    And many KOs in MMA are are a halfbreed between a cross and a hook, isn't it so?

    I would also want to add the giljotinue as a very effective technique, especially in a streetfight, where an opponent will surely give you a good opportunity as he tries to get you to the ground.

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    While my cross is more effective, and it may be more effective in MMA... its been said time and time again that the left hook is the #1 knockout punch, its short, snaps your head, and can be deliver so quickly, accurately, and with proper hip rotation.

    You can also catch guys with it... watch oscar de la hoya fight.. he uses it alot, or joe frazier but I like the de la hoya example more.

    One specific one I can think of is de la hoya vs Vargas... in the 11th round I believe.. .although he puts him down with it at least once before he knocks him out with it.

    I cant seem to recall alot of hook knockouts in mma.. more the straight cross... ala franklin's GLORIOUS mauling of nate quarry... Lidell throws alot of cross... wide looping crosses as they may be... hmm... I'm not too sure.
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    Hooks may cause plenty of KOs in strait boxing (like the exampes above^)where there are no kicks or clinches or groundwork, but they are responsible for most KOs in MMA?

    That would surprise me, but I would still take the jab and strait over the hook and uppercut any day, they are just too economical and quick.

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    For the ring, knees from the Thai clinch, elbows.
    For the street, knees, elbows, headbutt to the nose.

    Liddell's overhand right is definitely a formidible weapon!
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    Overhand Right...

    Quote Originally Posted by aseepish
    For the ring, knees from the Thai clinch, elbows.
    For the street, knees, elbows, headbutt to the nose.

    Liddell's overhand right is definitely a formidible weapon!
    Is that also known as the Sucker Punch.
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    What is the definition of "Proven Techniques"?
    I mean what most of you discribe is proven as finisher, but some techniques just aren't finishers at all, but proven to be effective
    Take downs aren't finishers but rather essential if you want to end the fight in the groundgame

    Also it seems that for most of you, a technique is only proven if it has been used effectively frequently, personally i think that any technique that has been used effectively once , has proven itself
    So to me even the hammerfist has proven itself because at least 1 fight ended in KO as a result of hammerfists to the face

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toudiyama[NL]
    What is the definition of "Proven Techniques"?
    I mean what most of you discribe is proven as finisher, but some techniques just aren't finishers at all, but proven to be effective
    Take downs aren't finishers but rather essential if you want to end the fight in the groundgame

    Also it seems that for most of you, a technique is only proven if it has been used effectively frequently, personally i think that any technique that has been used effectively once , has proven itself
    So to me even the hammerfist has proven itself because at least 1 fight ended in KO as a result of hammerfists to the face
    some takedowns are finishers, and for self defense all your takedowns should focus on finishing the opponent right then and there. slamming/throwing people can kill depending on what u do. in the street throws/slams can be rediculously devestating. imagine slamming somones spine or hip into a sidewalk, throwing someone through a glass window, or hip throwing some thug back first onto a nice fire hydrant. even the very basic osoto gari can be lethal, especially if u dont fall right, cause if u put opponent in a crappy enough position and reap that leg hard enough u will send his skull straight into the ground. also in the street, u should do "half throws" for throws. u dont need to control them in the street after u throw em, release em before the throw is completed.....sending them into the air or into something.

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    According to sherdog's data base this is the percentage of most used techniques.
    46.66%=Submission 27.84%=KO
    TKO 12
    Submission (Armbar) 9
    Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 8
    KO 6
    Submission (Strikes) 5
    Submission (Choke) 4
    Submission 4
    Submission (Guillotine Choke) 4
    Submission (Triangle Choke) 3
    TKO (Strikes) 2
    TKO (Punches) 1
    Submission (Heel Hook) 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brewer
    You are counting the "Submission by Strikes" in the KO numbers, yes? If not, they ought to be. In boxing, if a guy beats on another guy so hard that he quits, it's considered a knockout (or TKO).
    Yes indeed but that is Boxing....in MMA submission from strikes are with the tap...which is not in Boxing...In MMA if they verbally submit its still a Submission.There is no Submission in Boxing so therefor they have to count it as a TKO.If the ref,doc or corner stop the fight then its a TKO in MMA.
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    Yeah and how come "smother" counts as a submission!

    (Im not making this stuff up, someone has tapped out to a smother before hahahaha)
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