Why UFC will never be as good as boxing

[ninjaiboy22]

"I also pose the question to the thread starter about how he thinks a striker being able to "unload"... on a wrestler is gonna start winning them more fights..
strikers can unload at any one time.. theres no rule that says you can only punch 5 times every ten seconds..."

SG,
it was in regards to my speculation about being able to strike down. Like for instance with the Diego Sanchez. There a few parts when Deigo is trying to take down Brian Gassawy. But Brians strength keeps him up. There are pure openings for Brian to strike down on Diego's back and neck, but instead he trys to wrestle a wrestler. Thats what I meant. Perhaps I could've started the thread different, saying if Brian Gassaway could defeat Diego Sanchez seing if the rules were different. I gues the whole boxing mma thing was the wrong way to compare it.
Thanks again!
Wurd~


~*Strawberries&Caramel mixed together is like the Yin&Yang of toppings*~

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

Iv'e never been attacked with the intention to kill so i wouldn't need to use them..

Then you're just slingin' more BS (as I knew).

[Penance]

If the strikers were allowed to unload? They aren't allowed to do that now? As long as they're both on their feet pretty much anything except groin strikes and eye gouges are allowed so what are you crying about? Once you're on the ground everything goes except hitting the back of the neck, kicking them, stomping, etc. Anything else...punches, elbows, etc is allowed. None of that is allowed in boxing. So go ahead, put any pro boxer in MMA against someone that has cross trained standup and ground work and see what happens when he "unloads."

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Penance

So go ahead, put any pro boxer in MMA against someone that has cross trained standup and ground work and see what happens when he "unloads."

Agreed. But put any MMA in a boxing match with so much as a talented amateur and see what happens.

[THT]

I think I'm going to have to stick with Vanilla guys. It does well to mix with other flavors in a subtle and tantilizing way, without overpowering them. I personally find strawberry to be somewhat unpalatable. It tastes a bit too artificial unless made from fresh berries down on the farm.

Perhaps we could continue this important debate in a new thread as opposed to hijacking this excellent one that was going here.

[sapatiero]

They are both decent sports in their own rights, but there are three fighting distances to my knowledge - kicking distance, punching distance, and grappling distance. Boxers are extremely good at one of these, whereas the rounded UFC/Pride fighters are good at all three.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by jubaji

There's not a pro MMA fighter who wouldn't jump at the chance to become a pro boxer if he could be successful at it.

Actually Minotaro and some other guys, Ithink even Wand, are national boxing champs in brazil. that doesnt change the fact that boxing is a one dimensional contest that falsely decides who's the best fighter in the world

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by ninjaiboy22

"I also pose the question to the thread starter about how he thinks a striker being able to "unload"... on a wrestler is gonna start winning them more fights..
strikers can unload at any one time.. theres no rule that says you can only punch 5 times every ten seconds..."

SG,
it was in regards to my speculation about being able to strike down. Like for instance with the Diego Sanchez. There a few parts when Deigo is trying to take down Brian Gassawy. But Brians strength keeps him up. There are pure openings for Brian to strike down on Diego's back and neck, but instead he trys to wrestle a wrestler. Thats what I meant. Perhaps I could've started the thread different, saying if Brian Gassaway could defeat Diego Sanchez seing if the rules were different. I gues the whole boxing mma thing was the wrong way to compare it.
Thanks again!
Wurd~


~*Strawberries&Caramel mixed together is like the Yin&Yang of toppings*~

I'm guessing you've never wrestled or grappled before. The reason Gassawy stays up is not because he is strong but because he is fighting the takedown. He was trying to 'wrestle a wrestler' because he had to use wrestling moves to stop the takedown or he would've been taken down.

[OmaPlata]

Oh and the clarify further, the prime Mike Tyson, circa 1986-1988, would have destroyed ALi in his prime. Could you imagine Ali doing the rope-a-dope while the young Tyson caved in his rib cage?

[gregimotis]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Oh and the clarify further, the prime Mike Tyson, circa 1986-1988, would have destroyed ALi in his prime. Could you imagine Ali doing the rope-a-dope while the young Tyson caved in his rib cage?

Ali used the rope-a-dope against Foreman in the 'rumble in the jungle' This is the only time he used that strategy and he used it largely because he was not in his prime and didn't think he could move fast enough to take Foreman with the ole 'float like a butterfly' routine (recall Ali came out of retirement for that fight).

So, are you saying that an older Ali couldn't take an older Tyson? Or are you saying that Ali in his prime couldn't take Tyson in his prime? Or are you saying the strategy that won against one of the heaviest punchers of all time (yes, that's G. Foreman) wouldn't work against another of the heaviest punchers?

[SamuraiGuy]

Im not the same guy as who posted the picture...

but I dont think the rope a dope would have worked against tyson because unlike foreman he is fast like ali... in his prime he had the speed of ali and the power of george,

plus tyson could bite his ear off if ali did a rope a dope

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by gregimotis

Ali used the rope-a-dope against Foreman in the 'rumble in the jungle' This is the only time he used that strategy and he used it largely because he was not in his prime and didn't think he could move fast enough to take Foreman with the ole 'float like a butterfly' routine (recall Ali came out of retirement for that fight).

So, are you saying that an older Ali couldn't take an older Tyson? Or are you saying that Ali in his prime couldn't take Tyson in his prime? Or are you saying the strategy that won against one of the heaviest punchers of all time (yes, that's G. Foreman) wouldn't work against another of the heaviest punchers?

Not to mention goerge had some defense, even if it was just covering up with those huge arms he had....Tysons defense was the clinch and bite

ALI was a far better fighter than tyson at any point in his career.

[medic06]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

boxing is a one dimensional contest that falsely decides who's the best fighter in the world

It's sort of like your thinking process

[gregimotis]

It's sort of like your thinking process

Which is surprisingly close to the point I was trying to make.

[gregimotis]

Also, any fool can post a good picture: