The Ultimate in Martial Arts

SamuraiGuy · 01-17-2006, 07:45 PM

I'm not sure if the rule has changed..

but in a UFC FIGHT (caps lol)...

they wear allowed to wear Gi's for the longest time, and in pride they still are, im not sure why they wouldnt be.

ninjaiboy22 · 01-17-2006, 11:20 PM

Nope not anymore,
Since early 2002 lots of rules has changed.
No Gi's, no shoes, no shirts.
Pretty much any thing that can help even the odds for strikers vs grapplers.
Check out my last thread called UFC wont be as popular as boxing.
It just says how if UFC were to change the rules even more, strikers could be dominant force in the UFC.

Wurd

nevertap2 · 01-18-2006, 11:11 AM

Royce Gracie is one the best practitioner of BJJ I have ever seen. I don't think Matt is skilled enough to compete with Royce on the ground. For some of the younger people out there who haven't seen Royce in action, you may want to look at some of his old fights. He has taken out some good fighters in his day. I think he is going to embarrass Matt Hughes.

OmaPlata · 01-18-2006, 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=nevertap2]Royce Gracie is one the best practitioner of BJJ I have ever seen. QUOTE]

Yes Royce is good, but Rickson is 10 times better at BJJ.

OmaPlata · 01-18-2006, 11:37 AM

One thing about Huges and Royce, Hughes only once has faught someone with the ground games as good as Royce, and that was Penn, and Penn OWNED Hughes in every sense of the word, so Royce will do the same.
Ever watch a "regular" black belt in BJJ roll with one of the masters, its like a regular black and white belt. Hughes will get owned, my guess

danfaggella · 01-18-2006, 11:40 AM

I pray every night that you are right about that.

shasan · 01-18-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

One thing about Huges and Royce, Hughes only once has faught someone with the ground games as good as Royce, and that was Penn, and Penn OWNED Hughes in every sense of the word, so Royce will do the same.
Ever watch a "regular" black belt in BJJ roll with one of the masters, its like a regular black and white belt. Hughes will get owned, my guess

Carlos Newton has a solid ground game... if the fall from the fricking ceiling hadn't knocked him out cold, I think he would have won... In fact I think he had locked in a triangle which made hughes pass out and drop him.... but hughes had difficulty with him.

ninjaiboy22 · 01-18-2006, 06:29 PM

true,
that was a great match, but gracie now almost 40 with no GI. I gotta go with Matt.

Clooneytkd · 01-18-2006, 06:54 PM

ya gracie is good, he used to be good. now, most likely not. back in the day no one knew what the hell they were doing, they didnt train like the gracies. now everyone trains. matt hughes may have lost to penn, but how long ago was that? and if you look at hughes last couple of fights, hes won with submissions. so obvioulsy hes been working on those and hes gotten alot better. and as far as penn and gsp, thats a match that should happen. gsp lost to hughes, why should he get another title shot so soon. penn beat hughes so its only right for the two rightful contenders to fight each other. my vote is on hughes because gracie is going to go to the ground and hughes said he was gonna stand up. and hughes is goo with both. either why the ufc is going to make a butt load of cash, so im not making a sure bet, i rather watch the fight if i can afford the damn price, rather than state opinion.

Tant01 · 01-18-2006, 07:09 PM

Give it to Gracie...

Matt will make a mistake and Royce will choke him out with Hadaka Jime. (rear naked choke) in the 2nd round.

Or not...

yenhoi · 01-18-2006, 08:48 PM

why would a gi make any difference?

Hughes was out, but he recovered before Newton.

danfaggella · 01-18-2006, 10:14 PM

Why would the Gi make a difference?! Maybe because Royce was BORN in one.

Penance · 01-18-2006, 10:54 PM

So? A gi would be useful to Royce if Matt was wearing one. Not wearing a gi gives Matt less to grab on to. The only way wearing a gi would be useful to Royce is if he managed to use it to choke Matt.

Royce is a professional. Not wearing a gi means the match will be more sweaty and will interfere with his grip, but he's gone no-gi before. He will continue training no-gi up until the match, I'm sure.

danfaggella · 01-19-2006, 12:13 AM

As you said the Gi provides numerous choking options and will make Matt less slippery when trying to lock up that armbar that I'm PRAYING Royce will use.

yenhoi · 01-19-2006, 11:06 PM

So, if he wore a Gi, it would be to soak up Matt's sweat and provide opporatunitys for skirt chokes and locks.

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01-17-2006, 07:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,866 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not sure if the rule has changed.. but in a UFC FIGHT (caps lol)... they wear allowed to wear Gi's for the longest time, and in pride they still are, im not sure why they wouldnt be. __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

01-17-2006, 11:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
ninjaiboy22 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lost Gatos, CA Posts: 162 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rulin Nope not anymore, Since early 2002 lots of rules has changed. No Gi's, no shoes, no shirts. Pretty much any thing that can help even the odds for strikers vs grapplers. Check out my last thread called UFC wont be as popular as boxing. It just says how if UFC were to change the rules even more, strikers could be dominant force in the UFC. Wurd

01-18-2006, 07:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 5,935 Groans: 0 Groaned at 15 Times in 10 Posts	Give it to Gracie... Matt will make a mistake and Royce will choke him out with Hadaka Jime. (rear naked choke) in the 2nd round. Or not... __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

01-18-2006, 08:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	why would a gi make any difference? Hughes was out, but he recovered before Newton. __________________ strike!

01-18-2006, 11:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
nevertap2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Royce Gracie is one the best practitioner of BJJ I have ever seen. I don't think Matt is skilled enough to compete with Royce on the ground. For some of the younger people out there who haven't seen Royce in action, you may want to look at some of his old fights. He has taken out some good fighters in his day. I think he is going to embarrass Matt Hughes.

01-18-2006, 11:34 AM	#19 (permalink)
OmaPlata Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 1,397 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	[QUOTE=nevertap2]Royce Gracie is one the best practitioner of BJJ I have ever seen. QUOTE] Yes Royce is good, but Rickson is 10 times better at BJJ.

01-18-2006, 11:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
OmaPlata Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 1,397 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	One thing about Huges and Royce, Hughes only once has faught someone with the ground games as good as Royce, and that was Penn, and Penn OWNED Hughes in every sense of the word, so Royce will do the same. Ever watch a "regular" black belt in BJJ roll with one of the masters, its like a regular black and white belt. Hughes will get owned, my guess

01-18-2006, 11:40 AM	#21 (permalink)
danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I pray every night that you are right about that.

01-18-2006, 06:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
ninjaiboy22 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lost Gatos, CA Posts: 162 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	true, that was a great match, but gracie now almost 40 with no GI. I gotta go with Matt.

01-18-2006, 06:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
Clooneytkd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: newyork city Posts: 135 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ya gracie is good, he used to be good. now, most likely not. back in the day no one knew what the hell they were doing, they didnt train like the gracies. now everyone trains. matt hughes may have lost to penn, but how long ago was that? and if you look at hughes last couple of fights, hes won with submissions. so obvioulsy hes been working on those and hes gotten alot better. and as far as penn and gsp, thats a match that should happen. gsp lost to hughes, why should he get another title shot so soon. penn beat hughes so its only right for the two rightful contenders to fight each other. my vote is on hughes because gracie is going to go to the ground and hughes said he was gonna stand up. and hughes is goo with both. either why the ufc is going to make a butt load of cash, so im not making a sure bet, i rather watch the fight if i can afford the damn price, rather than state opinion.

01-18-2006, 10:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why would the Gi make a difference?! Maybe because Royce was BORN in one.

01-18-2006, 10:54 PM	#28 (permalink)
Penance Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 286 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So? A gi would be useful to Royce if Matt was wearing one. Not wearing a gi gives Matt less to grab on to. The only way wearing a gi would be useful to Royce is if he managed to use it to choke Matt. Royce is a professional. Not wearing a gi means the match will be more sweaty and will interfere with his grip, but he's gone no-gi before. He will continue training no-gi up until the match, I'm sure.

01-19-2006, 12:13 AM	#29 (permalink)
danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	As you said the Gi provides numerous choking options and will make Matt less slippery when trying to lock up that armbar that I'm PRAYING Royce will use.

01-19-2006, 11:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
yenhoi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reno, Nv Posts: 211 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, if he wore a Gi, it would be to soak up Matt's sweat and provide opporatunitys for skirt chokes and locks. __________________ strike!

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