wheres the "soul" in combat sports

[jubaji]

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[kiddbjj]

garland: dude just because martial arts are primarily "an exercise in violence" as you put it, ie. learning to hurt good and proper, doesn't mean it has to endorse violence for the sake of stroking ego's and proving who has the bigger pills. what martial art should do (depending on who you learn from, and returning to my original point for this thread) is give an individual the physical and mental ability to withstand adversity and survive.

of course its an exercise in violence, that's the VERY reason we need to be careful about who learns it. theres a reason why they don't teach mma in prisons! they teach tai chi instead! because the inmates have proven themselves as untrustworthy and destructive to the majority of society. of course not everyone who fits this description is in prison yet...

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Drag'n

OK you got me, I cant resist a reply to this nonsense.
Sure at their most crude level MA were created as a method of survival. But many evolved into something much deeper and more valuableJapanese Budo is an obvious example.
Your shallow views would draw nothing but contempt from any experienced Budoka.

Your own subjective experience of the arts is irrelevant. As for Budo? Talk about something that's been misinterpreted and bastardized! Look at old school japanese military action...Batan death-march anyone? How about shooting at somebody to injure them, so that they would burden the target group and make them easier targets...is that honorable?

Seriously, the samurai would take heads, some even occasionally drank blood on the battlefield. Don't idealize every thing you come across, bro. You found something you find romantic, and pick and choose shit to assimilate to your own, skewed, world view.

If your going to embrace something that much, mr. romantic...then go all the way. Ever hear of Yukio Mishima? THAT was budo. That was a fucking man, right there...nuttier than shit...but that's the way it IS. Wrote his last book, kidnapped a JSF general, and then gutted himself, sepukku style. He was the example of a modern day personification of true budo, which hinges on nationalism and militant, psuedo-fascism.

I don't agree with it...but hey...that was it, if you wanted a look at it. He wasn't just a martial guy, like Funakoshi or Oyama...he was Budo.

All the MA guys are different, and practice something far different then the old school moral code...a much different honor system.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by kiddbjj

of course its an exercise in violence, that's the VERY reason we need to be careful about who learns it. theres a reason why they don't teach mma in prisons! they teach tai chi instead! because the inmates have proven themselves as untrustworthy and destructive to the majority of society. of course not everyone who fits this description is in prison yet...

I doubt MMA is anywhere near as dangerous as a steak knife in determined hands...and you don't have to dedicate yourself to learn how to hurt somebody with it. What about guns? Impulsive things like that are what get people killed...how many MMA guys have killed somebody with their hands?
Let's see some numbers to give your argument credance.

MMA guys are the most dedicated, hard-working, and generally, well behaved people you will meet...a public persona is something else...it's a fucking marketing gimic, not something from which to base their personal ethics.

Look at Sakuraba...and then read an article about him training...jokester and all, he's different when he trains, dedicated and reserved...his ACT is what makes him money, and it carries over from his fake Pro-wrestling days.

How about people that are really scary and stern, like Wanderlei Silva...??? He's a family man.
They leave it in the ring.

[Drag'n]

Originally Posted by Garland

If your going to embrace something that much, mr. romantic...then go all the way. Ever hear of Yukio Mishima? THAT was budo. That was a fucking man, right there...nuttier than shit...but that's the way it IS. Wrote his last book, kidnapped a JSF general, and then gutted himself, sepukku style. He was the example of a modern day personification of true budo, which hinges on nationalism and militant, psuedo-fascism.

I don't agree with it...but hey...that was it, if you wanted a look at it. He wasn't just a martial guy, like Funakoshi or Oyama...he was Budo.

Yeah I know about Mishima. A fanatic nationalist. There are still fanatics like that around, but they have nothing to do with Budo. I train with real budoka everyday.
Its nothing fanatical to do with dying for the emperor or any of that garbage. You are confusing budo with something entirely different.

Sure alot of the top fighters are real men of integrity. No argument there.