Cung Le is a God among men.

[danfaggella]

The more I see of this guy the more I admire him. He is not only a phenomenal striker, but his takedowns are OUTSTANDING. He does greco takedowns, double-leg takedowns, single leg takedowns, high croth takedowns, crab scissors, everything, and its all SO CLEAN and SO well done and mixed with his striking. I pray to this guy. What has given him this abnormal skill, was it San Shou fighting? I'm going to assume he has done plenty of that, but I don't even know what his martial arts base is or what he has studied in his life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ung+le&pl=true

[Tom Yum]

What about Chuck ?

Cung Le is likely the best Sanshou fighter in the states. I don't think he's fought in China yet. Most of his opponents aren't really into San Shou, they're more international rules kickboxers - whereas Cung has a background in freestyle wrestling, so he totally dominates in takedowns.

In MMA though, its probably harder for him to show off.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

The more I see of this guy the more I admire him..... What has given him this abnormal skill, was it San Shou fighting? I'm going to assume he has done plenty of that, but I don't even know what his martial arts base is or what he has studied in his life.

Yes, the man is quite a player.

Phenomenal perhaps but not divine...

[BoarSpear]

Hey he is just a CMA guy...those guys dont know sh ignore him....

[nutter]

Yeah that kickboxing/thai boxing with sport wresting throws thrown in is what "CMA" is all about. he pulls off a wicked bow stance in that clip!

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by nutter

Yeah that kickboxing/thai boxing with sport wresting throws thrown in is what "CMA" is all about. he pulls off a wicked bow stance in that clip!

Yeah, none of that stuff existed before MMA

[Tant01]

Cung Le is a Vietnamese-American kickboxer. He was born in 1973 in South Vietnam. Cung Le has three bronze medals in amateur san shou kickboxing world competition, and has been a three-time captain of United States teams that competed in the Wushu World Championships.

In 1997, he was the U.S. Team Captain at the World Martial Arts Championships in Italy.

In 1999, he was the U.S. Team Captain at the World Martial Arts Championships in Hong Kong.

http://www.answers.com/topic/cung-le

[nutter]

he's not MMA, he's San Shou which owes most to Muay Thai in terms of influence IMO.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by nutter

he's not MMA, he's San Shou which owes most to Muay Thai in terms of influence IMO.

Your opinion is an uneducated guess...

Try this on for size>>

San shou (散手) or Sanda (散打) is a modern Chinese martial art and a self-defense system. It is composed of various aspects of traditional fighting styles in China. The two main styles that san shou is composed of is kickboxing and shuai jiao, a Chinese form of wrestling. San shou tournaments are one of the two sport wushu disciplines recognized by the International Wushu Federation[1].

San shou was developed by the Chinese Army in the 1960s, which was a decision of the Chinese government. Various traditional styles as well as old-style lei tai fighting competitions were studied, and choices made from these were combined with modern insights to create san shou. One can see san shou as a synthesis of traditional Chinese kungfu fighting techniques into a more amorphous system. The emphasis of san shou is on realistic fighting ability, and not the ability to perform elaborate forms.

As an unarmed self-defense system, san shou includes throws, locks, chokes, kicks, punches. As a sport, san shou is practiced in tournaments. Various techniques from the self-defense form of san shou are not allowed during these tournaments, like elbow hits, chokes and arm locks. Furthermore, it is possible to defeat the opponent by moving him outside the ring. Fighters are only allowed to clinch for a short few seconds. If the clinch is not broken by the fighters and if neither succeeds in throwing his opponent within the time limit, the referee will break the clinch.

Some well-known San shou fighters include the IKF champion Cung Le, Rudi Ott, and Marvin Perry.


http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...ext=san%20shou

Seems like a well MIXED ART to me

[Tom Yum]

San da sport vs. San da combat...

There's a big difference.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

San da sport vs. San da combat...

There's a big difference.

That's why I called him a "player"...

[danfaggella]

Rather than a martial artist? Yeah as far as I know hes a fighter, don't know if I'd call him a martial artist but I dont know him.

Also, yeah San Shou is based in CMA styles, and is great because it does emphisize fighting ability and not forms.

However, I see mostly kickboxing in most Sanda fights, though there is certainly some great wrestling/greco/chinese wrestling/judo takedowns. Can anyone explain where Cung Le showed his colors as a CMA man and not a kickboxer? I'm not great at analyzing this stuff, but I would like to be able to pick up on the subleties of the styles and thier principles/techniques/philosophies.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

Rather than a martial artist? Yeah as far as I know hes a fighter, don't know if I'd call him a martial artist but I dont know him.

Also, yeah San Shou is based in CMA styles, and is great because it does emphisize fighting ability and not forms.

However, I see mostly kickboxing in most Sanda fights, though there is certainly some great wrestling/greco/chinese wrestling/judo takedowns. Can anyone explain where Cung Le showed his colors as a CMA man and not a kickboxer? I'm not great at analyzing this stuff, but I would like to be able to pick up on the subleties of the styles and thier principles/techniques/philosophies.

Depending on where you look you'll find sources for Judo coming from China and vise/verse..

It doesn't really matter to me if the guy calls it Jook Lum Gee Tong Long Pai Mui Far Fut Sao Ting Sing Kung (breathing exercise) or MMA, his Kani Basami (crab scissors) takedown is one of my personal favorite "illegal in Judo" takedowns. And he does it very well!

[danfaggella]

I thought crab scissors is legal in Judo, at least it was in Kimura's time.

Can anyone explain how his striking exhibits CMA not just kickboxing?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

I thought crab scissors is legal in Judo, at least it was in Kimura's time.

......

According to Contest Judo, by Roy Inman (1987), the Dai Nippon Butokukai, under the direction of Jigoro Kano, banned locks of the fingers, toes, wrists and ankles in jujutsu/judo contests in 1899. In 1916, ashi garami (knee entanglement, twisting knee lock), and dojime (trunk/kidney squeeze, performed from a body scissors) [READ "GAURD"] were banned by the Kodokan. Apparently, there were a number of serious injuries which resulted from the use of these techniques. Joint lock attacks in Judo contests were limited to the elbow only in 1925. Over the years other rules have been created to insure the safety of contestants. Until the 1970's, the rules awarded ippon for lifting an opponent who is lying on his back to a height of your shoulders. This rule was later dropped to avoid the possibility of dropping a contestant from such a height. Another safety rule adopted was the banning of kani basami (flying scissors) after Yasuhiro Yamashita received a broken ankle from the technique endangering his entry in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympic Games (where he won the gold medal).

http://judoinfo.com/rules2.htm