Parking lot incident

[Ahoym8e]

so a certain someone I know was in a hurry to pick up his kids, and was probably following a bit to close, then u-turned in front on the person ahead of him, thinking that the other person was just turning left.

It turns out that both parties ended up in the same parking lot, and the "affronted" driver walked over and got all in this guy I know's face about his "f^*king driving," like within an inch of his nose. Despite the opportunity for a perfect knockout uppercut, this guy I know decides to just shove this guy back hard, to put down his sunglasses, advance, and look for the clinch. This guy I know is about 5'10", 155, and the guy accosting him in the parking lot is about 6', 165-170. So no real difference in size.

Now I should maybe say that this guy I know used to train JKD, Muay Thai and combat submission grappling for about 7 or 8 months, but then switched to BJJ for about a year and a half, with no follow up striking practice since, aside from the occasional heavy bag workout at home.

Anyway, back to the story: some handfighting ensues, women begin screaming, Daycare teachers start yelling "you two stop that this instant" , the police is called (all within seconds), and nothing has really happened between the combatants. Despite perfect knockout opportunities, this guy I know seems absolutely hellbent on a wrist for an armdrag to choke, or to tie up in the clinch. I mean this guy I know even reaches behind the morons neck to pull his head down (obviously within striking distance). Not a single legkick, nothing...

The defending and retreating "accoster" now argues that this is really the wrong place for this: in front of a daycare. This sort of strikes a chord with this guy I know, and he agrees that this is REALLY stupid, since they were both there to pick up their kids. So this guy I know gathers himself, apologizes for losing his temper, picks up the accoster keys (which the accoster had unsuccessfully tried to hit this guy I know with), returns them to him, and holds the door for him to enter. The screaming woman (only one left by now) is soothed, and the daycare teachers assured that we're cool now (they are nice enough to call the cops back and explain that they were no longer needed).

SO: what I thought might spur interesting conversation is this: a trained striker somehow instinctively chooses to not KTFO his opponent, but instead to block the other's blows and look for the clinch. What's up with that? Is it because he's been training groundwork for so long? If the accoster had landed anything, I am sure that this guy I know would have begun striking as well, or at least aggressively closed the distance, but none of that ever happened.

In retrospect, this guy I know is really happy that it didn't result in injury to anyone (which might also explain why he didn't take the double leg, available at ANY time during the altercation). I think in his mind this guy I know knew that he would be in deep sh!t if the "accoster" got hurt in a daycare parking lot over something that started in traffic. Was he just unwilling to commit, or what? For sure he wasn't going to put up with someone shouting obscenities in his face, but he didn't really "bring it" either. Really sort of a half assed response.

What do you guys think?

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Ahoym8e

this guy I know
... the daycare teachers assured that we're cool now
What do you guys think?

I think you did the right thing...but I do think that you're shitty at being anonymous...ahoy.

[EmptyneSs]

why he chose to not knock this dude out, only he knows. but you do have to keep in mind, using striking skills can result in the serious injury of your opponent. mabye this guy just wanted to control his opponent and end the confrontation in a more peaceful way then bloodying his face up and seriously injuring smoene in front of a daycare. hitting someone with a good uppercut, barenuckle, is going to be absolutely devastating and im sure it would bring about a whole lot of consequences.

the fact that this happened in front of a day care is pretty not cool. reminds of of those videos you see of parents fighting eachother during their kids little league games, totally not appropriate.

[Ahoym8e]

Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

why he chose to not knock this dude out, only he knows.

No, he doesn't really know either. He may have been in "damage control mode," not willing to risk legal trouble, but at the same time not willing to back down from someone cursing in his face.

I think he really wishes he could have gotten an nice non-injuring RNC or guillotine, but he wasn't able to pull it off.

It's easy to analyze something to death after the fact, but I don't know if it's just making excuses afterwards, or genuinely rationalizing what happened.

Yeah, in front of a daycare is pretty weak. It just goes to show how emotions can get the better of people sometimes. Had it been in somewhere else, and this guy I know wasn't responsible for picking up his kids at the time, this might have gone all the way. In retrospect he thinks so anyway.

But at the same time this guy I know was somewhat eager to stop also, as soon as the opponent signaled his willingness to stop.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Ahoym8e

No, he doesn't really know either. He may have been in "damage control mode," not willing to risk legal trouble, but at the same time not willing to back down from someone cursing in his face.

I think he really wishes he could have gotten an nice non-injuring RNC or guillotine, but he wasn't able to pull it off.

It's easy to analyze something to death after the fact, but I don't know if it's just making excuses afterwards, or genuinely rationalizing what happened.

Yeah, in front of a daycare is pretty weak. It just goes to show how emotions can get the better of people sometimes. Had it been in somewhere else, and this guy I know wasn't responsible for picking up his kids at the time, this might have gone all the way. In retrospect he thinks so anyway.

But at the same time this guy I know was somewhat eager to stop also, as soon as the opponent signaled his willingness to stop.

This kiddies is what we call a break in Point of View and character in Literature.

We analyse the story...3rd person, limited omniscient...(point of view)
we can completely get into the head of the main character in the story...and as events unfold, the big slip of the "we're"...indicating that the limited, 3rd person omniscient speaker is indeed the main character trying to remain anonymous.

Still, for a realistic story...this is also a break in genre...since it would be HIGHLY unlikely that even the closest of friends would be able to understand motive and thought, at least to the miniscule and subtle nicities he applies to be the rationale for his/"his friend's" actions, to the extent Ahoym8e knows the intentions and outlook of his "friend".

[Ahoym8e]

^ whah choo talkin' about?? :saint:

[Garland]

by the way...I know what it feels like to want to grapple in a real fight instead of strike, even though I'm primarily a striker....you get affraid of hurting them and you second guess your shit...I'm trying to get rid of that myself.

[OmaPlata]

you didnt want to take it that level, rather just a friendly choke out, its much more fullfilling anyway

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

rather just a friendly choke out,

huh, most be one those MMA vs SD things......im tryin to visualize a friendly stabbin'....my response to a friendly choke

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by Garland

This kiddies is what we call a break in Point of View and character in Literature.

We analyse the story...3rd person, limited omniscient...(point of view)
we can completely get into the head of the main character in the story...and as events unfold, the big slip of the "we're"...indicating that the limited, 3rd person omniscient speaker is indeed the main character trying to remain anonymous.

Still, for a realistic story...this is also a break in genre...since it would be HIGHLY unlikely that even the closest of friends would be able to understand motive and thought, at least to the miniscule and subtle nicities he applies to be the rationale for his/"his friend's" actions, to the extent Ahoym8e knows the intentions and outlook of his "friend".

well arent you happy you didnt take those oppertunities? you followed your instinct and used restraint. if you had hit him, i doubt the situation would have ended like you described, it would have been way worse. you might even be in jail right now while facing a lawsuit cause you broke the dudes jaw in front of the daycare. or immagine if it had gotten really violent, and then the kids had come out and seen their dads beating the shit outta eachother. sounds like a good thing that it stopped were it did. im sure if this guy was a mugger or thug instead of another father picking up his kid you would have responded much differently.

[cam427]

Originally Posted by Ahoym8e

No, he doesn't really know either. He may have been in "damage control mode," not willing to risk legal trouble, but at the same time not willing to back down from someone cursing in his face.

You just answered your own question

[Thai Bri]

Heres why he didn't knock the guy out..... (drum roll....)

He was in a STREET situation, involving street dynamics, conversation management, fear control, ego control, awareness, the fence, the pre-emptive strike etc,. etc. - BUT HE HASN'T TRAINED FOR IT!

Learning how to fight is a bit like learning how to drive a car on a disused runway. It will only help you on a real road when you've trained in such a way that street furniture/other cars etc. were put on that runway for you to practice on.

If he wwants to learn how to handle situations like this he needs to get into scenario based training, not just getting in a ring or on a mat and sparring.

Hope that makes sense.

[kuk sool won]

Sorry this maybe considered a stupid comment but why didn't he try to TALK his way out of it? appologise sincerely. Considering the end result that both guys eventually acted decently due to enviormental reasons this little squabble would never had occured... as im sure it would have played out in a bar..haha. Was there really no way of settling it peacefully?

[Mikeb85]

Not everyone likes to respond to violence with more violence. Many people hold back due to religious and moral reasons, thats why MA's like Aikido are out there.

This guy obviously knew he was in no real trouble (as the other guy obviously couldn't fight), so he chose to just control him instead of knocking him out. Nothing wrong with that. Had the situation been more serious, I'm sure your buddy would have been throwing bombs.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

:......im tryin to visualize a friendly stabbin'...

Thats what I think when I see your sister. errrr, I mean your daughter