professional fighters

[kuk sool won]

In your opinion who was/is:

The most famous professional fighter:

The most successful professional fighter:

The most likened professional fighter:

The most overrated professional fighter:

[nutter]

1. Paul Vunak
2. Paul Vunak
3. Paul Vunak
4. Genke Sudo, he'd easily get beat by Paul Vunak!

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

In your opinion who was/is

The most famous professional fighter: Muhammed Ali - Boxing

The most successful professional fighter: Rocky Marciano - Boxing

The most likened professional fighter: Randy Couture - MMA

The most overrated professional fighter: Ken Shamrock

[Tant01]

In MY opinion... It depends on what you mean by "successful". George Foreman has made millions selling his grills!

I tend to favor the OLD SCHOOL guys like Masahiko Kimura (1917-1993), judo 7th dan and Arthur John (Jack) Johnson (1878 -1946) Heavy weight champion boxer.

Helio might be the most popular (likened) Gracie fighter in his family but the most over rated goes to Rickson. You just can't count every seminar demo as a "fight" and every challenger as a champion of something and then NOT count your loses...

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Tant01

In MY opinion... It depends on what you mean by "successful". George Foreman has made millions selling his grills!

I tend to favor the OLD SCHOOL guys like Masahiko Kimura (1917-1993), judo 7th dan and Arthur John (Jack) Johnson (1878 -1946) Heavy weight champion boxer.

Helio might be the most popular (likened) Gracie fighter in his family but the most over rated goes to Rickson. You just can't count every seminar demo as a "fight" and every challenger as a champion of something and then NOT count your loses...

Wow, you were really old-schoolin' it.

[Tant01]

Wikipedia >>> Jack Johnson>>>On July 4, 1910 in front of 22,000 people, he defeated James J. Jeffries, a champion who had earlier turned him down, with a K.O. in the 15th round. The fight earned Johnson $115,000, and silenced critics who had belittled Johnson's previous victory over Tommy Burns as empty, claiming Burns was a false champion since Jeffries had retired undefeated. His victory sparked race riots and certain states banned the filming of Johnson's victories over white fighters.<<<

He was a pioneer in his day! HURAH!

[nutter]

Talking of older guys, like even older and wiser than Tonto here, that Musashi geezer with the sword fetish was pretty hardcore and successful right. But Clausewitz is over rated.

[danfaggella]

Its very hard for me to answer these questions, I don't know enough fighters or enough about them. However I do beleive Couture was probably the most likened figther, due to his dignity and humility (as well as fighting prowess). However, there was likely some kind of combat sport fighter on some part of the globe in some time period who was likened to a greater extent, these questions are very hard.

Also: Rickson is not invinsible and he himself knows this. Some of his "wins" were simply in tournaments and they certainly weren't all in big Pride FC events, we all know that. However, I really don't think he has ever lost to be honest with you. I've never see or heard of him losing in any competition, be it sambo/grappling/vale tudo/ect...

[Jones]

either:

ken shamrock, becuz he's teh worlds most dangerous man

or:

royce gracie becuz he invented grappling

[kuk sool won]

I would have thought more people would have said Shamrock - I think the most obvious choice thought would have to be Ali - Andy Hug was pretty popular weren't he?

[cakegirl]

ROYCE RULES

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

The most overrated professional fighter: Ken Shamrock

I'm not here to talk smack about Shamrock. The man could kill me with this barehands considering his arms are the same size as my legs and the amount of skill he has.

The media went crazy after the first couple of UFC's and started marketing him as the World's Deadliest man. I don't doubt that he can cause havock if he wanted to; he's an ex-marine, streetfighter, wrestler and one of the first Americans to get involved in modern MMA (in the late 80's/early 90's in Japanese Pankration).

He's beaten Bas Rutten, Dan Severn, Kimo and countless other skilled professional fighters so his record speaks for itself.

I just think that the label is a bit overrated.

I think someone like Richard Marcinko is more likely The World's Deadliest man.

[cam427]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I think someone like Richard Marcinko is more likely The World's Deadliest man.

I vote for George Bush (For the worlds most dangerous man, not for President)

[cam427]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

In your opinion who was/is:

The most famous professional fighter:

The most successful professional fighter:

The most likened professional fighter:

The most overrated professional fighter:

Most Famous: Muhammed Ali / Mike Tyson / Rocky Marciano. Whoever it is, it is definately a boxer because no other combat sport has even half as many fans.

Most Successful: Rocky Marciano - retired after 47 (I think) title defences undefeated. Mike Tyson - Made more money than anyone else (but was ripped off by everyone). Jack Johnson - Managed to live like a total sucess at a time when black people were not allowed to be successful (though he eventually came unstuck).

Most Liked: Tough one. Ali was loved by many but also hated by many. Evender holyfield is almost universally liked. So is Randy Couture.

Most overrated: There are too many people too put in this category. It is the nature of the sport that people try and overinflate how good they are. I dont blame them, it is how they make thier living and it is a tough job.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

In your opinion who was/is:

The most famous professional fighter:

The most successful professional fighter:

The most likened professional fighter:

The most overrated professional fighter:

For MMA:
Royce Gracie, everyone's heard of how he kicked a*s in the early days
Rickson Gracie, 350-0, come on...
Kazushi Sakuraba, self explanetory
Ken Shamrock