Karate, can anyone tell me its a useless martial art

Whtown · 01-23-2001, 03:37 PM

Karate sucks, why the hell do some people still say its better than mixed martial arts. TKD, akido, ect... all that traditional stuff is wothless.

DIRE WOLF · 01-23-2001, 03:48 PM

What is this your seventh screen name robin get a life.

dan downard · 01-23-2001, 03:57 PM

ALL martial arts are a tool.They are only as effective as you make them.BJJ sucks too if you arent able to use it.
There is no such thing as a useless martial art.
Keith Hackney is a very good example of what a good karate guy can do.But,like all martial arts,you need to crosstrain for the areas they dont cover.

Badger · 01-23-2001, 04:04 PM

I have no use for katas,horse-stances,box-blocks,etc.

I am now mostly a grappler-BUT I once broke a wrestlers ribs with a TKD side-kick.

I guess as the saying goes"Absorb what is useful,reject what is useless"

I am sure if you look long enough you can find something useful in every Martial Art-hence the name"Mixed Martial Arts"

-Badger

[Edited by Badger on 01-23-2001 at 01:38 PM]

duchman · 01-23-2001, 04:12 PM

First of all robin get a life!

then is kyokoshinkai, ashihara useless?

HungryWolf21 · 01-23-2001, 06:20 PM

Karate styles and schools that don't practice the art against resistance and in a progressive manner aren't as effective in combat. But then again, the same goes for any art that trains in this manner. I have seen my share of JKD schools that slam traditional arts, yet they practice in the same manner as the traditional arts. The only difference is that it just looks flashier. Karate is in the middle of a HUGE evolution. Just look at all the styles like Kyokushinkai, Enshin, Kenka, Ashihara, Shidokan, etc. They all have a strong traditional base, yet they are effective because they heavily incorporate resistance in their training. The same goes for Taekwondo. It was practiced in a very traditional manner just as most karate styles were practiced. Then protective equipment was introduced along with full contact competition. Now TKD is more streamlined and trained in a more alive manner. Who knows, one day we may see full contact karate or TKD become as much of a part of JKD as BJJ or FMA.

And besides, it's not the art but the practitioner that makes it work.

duchman · 01-23-2001, 06:31 PM

Bas rutten is a tkd and karate blackbelt

Peter aerts is tkd blackbelt

Almost all mt fighters that i know started in karate.

P.s Whtown, come to holland talk that shit in any karate school down here, you will leave in a box

Bau13 · 01-23-2001, 06:35 PM

really? Aerts did TKD? wow!....you wouldn't think so by the way he kicks! haha

Andy Hug did TKD and Karate and he is one tough fighter!....God Bless his soul

Badger · 01-23-2001, 06:38 PM

he has beat both wrestlers & BJJ stylists with kicks.

Instead of trash-talking styles learn from them & train your butt off!

-Badger

Whtown · 01-23-2001, 06:40 PM

Oh No! will they do the karate Kid kick on me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Badger · 01-23-2001, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Whtown
Oh No! will they do the karate Kid kick on me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No. Maybe the Maurice Smith kick. KA-POW!!!! THUD!!

-Badger

Hawk · 01-23-2001, 07:30 PM

I've never seen a Martial Art that was useless. Tournaments and their rules have watered down just about any style you can name including BJJ. As to how street worthy a style is it depends on the instructor and his motives. I enjoy tournaments, but I never make the mistake of thinking its the real thing. I've seen a lot of point champions make that mistake & pay the price.
Hawk

kenpo-power · 01-23-2001, 07:33 PM

whtown must have gotten his ass kicked by a karate stylist.
what martial art do you practice anyway? or are you just a poser. all martial arts have value, and all offer something to someone. i am sure that there are a lot of stand up fighters that could thrash a grappler and vice versa. bjj id not the best art out there, and mixed martial arts torneys are just as amusing as pro wrestling.

al000 · 01-23-2001, 07:42 PM

yuki kondo is a karate man. look at what he's done. he knocked frank shamrock out. whooped cafe dantas and held is own against the elite.to say karate is dumb is dumb itself.

PassiveGuy · 01-23-2001, 08:54 PM

Its all about how you train, not what you train. Karate can be VERY effective, if the training was geared toward reality. The only useless thing IMHO is forms, they just have no use...

01-23-2001, 03:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
dan downard Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 591	ALL martial arts are a tool.They are only as effective as you make them.BJJ sucks too if you arent able to use it. There is no such thing as a useless martial art. Keith Hackney is a very good example of what a good karate guy can do.But,like all martial arts,you need to crosstrain for the areas they dont cover. __________________

01-23-2001, 06:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
HungryWolf21 Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 98	Karate styles and schools that don't practice the art against resistance and in a progressive manner aren't as effective in combat. But then again, the same goes for any art that trains in this manner. I have seen my share of JKD schools that slam traditional arts, yet they practice in the same manner as the traditional arts. The only difference is that it just looks flashier. Karate is in the middle of a HUGE evolution. Just look at all the styles like Kyokushinkai, Enshin, Kenka, Ashihara, Shidokan, etc. They all have a strong traditional base, yet they are effective because they heavily incorporate resistance in their training. The same goes for Taekwondo. It was practiced in a very traditional manner just as most karate styles were practiced. Then protective equipment was introduced along with full contact competition. Now TKD is more streamlined and trained in a more alive manner. Who knows, one day we may see full contact karate or TKD become as much of a part of JKD as BJJ or FMA. And besides, it's not the art but the practitioner that makes it work. __________________ [img]http://[/img] "When one is deluded, one must rely on sifu; when one is enlightened, one relies on the correct way." -Buddhist Saying "Don't you know it's not easy When you gotta walk upon that line." -INXS -"What You Need"

01-23-2001, 06:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bau13 Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 390	really? Aerts did TKD? wow!....you wouldn't think so by the way he kicks! haha Andy Hug did TKD and Karate and he is one tough fighter!....God Bless his soul __________________ Everything happens for a reason...

01-23-2001, 06:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Badger Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 268	Maurice Smith started in Karate..... he has beat both wrestlers & BJJ stylists with kicks. Instead of trash-talking styles learn from them & train your butt off! -Badger

01-23-2001, 07:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081	I've never seen a Martial Art that was useless. Tournaments and their rules have watered down just about any style you can name including BJJ. As to how street worthy a style is it depends on the instructor and his motives. I enjoy tournaments, but I never make the mistake of thinking its the real thing. I've seen a lot of point champions make that mistake & pay the price. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

01-23-2001, 03:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Whtown Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 32	Karate sucks, why the hell do some people still say its better than mixed martial arts. TKD, akido, ect... all that traditional stuff is wothless.

01-23-2001, 03:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
DIRE WOLF Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Baltimore,Maryland Posts: 122	What is this your seventh screen name robin get a life.

01-23-2001, 04:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Badger Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 268	I have no use for katas,horse-stances,box-blocks,etc. I am now mostly a grappler-BUT I once broke a wrestlers ribs with a TKD side-kick. I guess as the saying goes"Absorb what is useful,reject what is useless" I am sure if you look long enough you can find something useful in every Martial Art-hence the name"Mixed Martial Arts" -Badger [Edited by Badger on 01-23-2001 at 01:38 PM]

01-23-2001, 04:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034	First of all robin get a life! then is kyokoshinkai, ashihara useless?

01-23-2001, 06:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034	Bas rutten is a tkd and karate blackbelt Peter aerts is tkd blackbelt Almost all mt fighters that i know started in karate. P.s Whtown, come to holland talk that shit in any karate school down here, you will leave in a box

01-23-2001, 06:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Whtown Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 32	Oh No! will they do the karate Kid kick on me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

01-23-2001, 07:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
kenpo-power Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 36	whtown must have gotten his ass kicked by a karate stylist. what martial art do you practice anyway? or are you just a poser. all martial arts have value, and all offer something to someone. i am sure that there are a lot of stand up fighters that could thrash a grappler and vice versa. bjj id not the best art out there, and mixed martial arts torneys are just as amusing as pro wrestling. __________________ Train like the tiger, but live like the dragon.

01-23-2001, 07:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
al000 Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: colorado Posts: 19	yuki kondo is a karate man. look at what he's done. he knocked frank shamrock out. whooped cafe dantas and held is own against the elite.to say karate is dumb is dumb itself.

01-23-2001, 08:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
PassiveGuy Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central GA Posts: 141	Its all about how you train, not what you train. Karate can be VERY effective, if the training was geared toward reality. The only useless thing IMHO is forms, they just have no use...

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