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[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by Richard Kerr

You idiot so is a gun. But that doesn't make you a good street fighter does it. If your a professional boxer your not going to do well in a street fight unless your opponent is stupid enough to box with you. Punching isn't boxing, punching is punching. Punching can be anything, boxing is that sport where a man or a woman puts big gloves on, gets into a ring and tries to give their opponent brain damage before they get it.

LOL! Calling me an idiot... nice lol. Getting a little defensive because you're wrong are ya? awww... thats too bad lol. Anyway let me EASILY refute your point. Ok, first you obviously don't respect boxers as fighters, you're probably an idiot yourself. Boxers use gloves to protect themselves... but in bare fist or any other encounter where they throw punches, they have the upper hand. Punching accounts for one of the 4 ranges of fightting, close range.(long, close, clinch, ground being the 4) A WHOLE RANGE... you must not know much about mma. Or self defense, in fact, you've probably never even seen a fight. If you're a pro boxer you will do extremely well in a fight, seeing as to how you will be in exellent shape, strong, quick, and have great footwork and hands. Yes, it is not complete in and of itself, but it is an essential part of learning to fight. And an opponent doesn't need to sit there and box, all you need is a couple punches bare knuckle to hit the floor... sometimes only one.

[Richard Kerr]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Hi Richard,

I'd say that your description of boxing is a little off. Boxing is the art of punching while minimizing the change of getting punched.

Boxers will do more than punch in a street fight; They will headbut, elbow, stomp, arm wrench and punch below the belt.

Then this boxing you describe is no longer a sport it is what we call dirty boxing or street style boxing. You are right though I guess most boxers would be bright or smart enough to adapt their techniques.
Excellent post.

[J-Luck]

You're hardly qualified to rate a post. Though, I also refuted you, seeing as to how you made it easy lol. But I also think that was an excellent post Tom.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Richard Kerr

Then this boxing you describe is no longer a sport it is what we call dirty boxing or street style boxing. You are right though I guess most boxers would be bright or smart enough to adapt their techniques.
Excellent post.

Thanks, Richard.

The real effectiveness in boxing is its simplicity and movement.

Footwork and head movement can make a boxer hard to hit whether in the ring or street. Add to that timing and he can unload quick.

Take away his space and put him in the clinch and he can still arm wrench, headbutt (this even happens in regulated matches!), elbow, hold the head while hitting it, stomp and bite (Tyson).

I don't see a boxer getting on the street and sticking with the Marquis de Queensury rules but I see him setting up the guy he's fighting and sending him to the ground real quick, unless its not a 1 on 1, his opponent is a strong grappler or has a weapon.

[Richard Kerr]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

LOL! Calling me an idiot... nice lol. Getting a little defensive because you're wrong are ya? awww... thats too bad lol. Anyway let me EASILY refute your point. Ok, first you obviously don't respect boxers as fighters, you're probably an idiot yourself. Boxers use gloves to protect themselves... but in bare fist or any other encounter where they throw punches, they have the upper hand. Punching accounts for one of the 4 ranges of fightting, close range.(long, close, clinch, ground being the 4) A WHOLE RANGE... you must not know much about mma. Or self defense, in fact, you've probably never even seen a fight. If you're a pro boxer you will do extremely well in a fight, seeing as to how you will be in exellent shape, strong, quick, and have great footwork and hands. Yes, it is not complete in and of itself, but it is an essential part of learning to fight. And an opponent doesn't need to sit there and box, all you need is a couple punches bare knuckle to hit the floor... sometimes only one.

Surely you know that only a very experienced fighter would take on a pro boxer on the street, like the one you describe, unless of course that person was a moron that enjoyed getting pounded or they had a gun.

[Troll Virus]

Originally Posted by Troll Virus

You're not interested in anyone's viewpoint, unless it fires off some trivial cyclic arguement. Innit

Told you so!

[Richard Kerr]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Thanks, Richard.

The real effectiveness in boxing is its simplicity and movement.

Footwork and head movement can make a boxer hard to hit whether in the ring or street. Take away his space and put him in the clinch and he can still arm wrench, headbutt (this even happens in regulated matches!), elbow, hold the head while hitting it, stomp and bite (Tyson).

I don't see a boxer getting on the street and sticking with the Marquis de Queensury rules but I see him setting up the guy he's fighting and sending him to the ground real quick, unless its not a 1 on 1, his opponent is a strong grappler or has a weapon.

Yeah I suppose Queensbury rules aren't really the way forward on the street but surely a good kicker of the same weight can in theory always beat a same standard good puncher unless he is too slow and lets the boxer inside or the boxer has another advantage.


Bruce Lee said the better puncher will always win but I don't believe this.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Richard Kerr

Surely you know that only a very experienced fighter would take on a pro boxer on the street, like the one you describe, unless of course that person was a moron that enjoyed getting pounded or they had a gun.

Even lesser experienced boxers can defend themeselves. Look at Kimbo.

It helps that he's really stocky and works out alot, but it looks like he's got about 6 months of boxing (has the fundamentals).

[nutter]

Originally Posted by Richard Kerr

Sorry a boxer is only dangerous on the street if he sucker punches you, you let him punch you,you can't kick,or you can't take the boxer to the ground and pound them.

lol, great joke mate.

[Richard Kerr]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Even lesser experienced boxers can defend themeselves. Look at Kimbo.

It helps that he's really stocky and works out alot, but it looks like he's got about 6 months of boxing (has the fundamentals).

I say being relaxed in a fight comes from confidence and courage and this improves control, reflex speed, power and accuracy.

Excellent footwork + head movement, correct effective techniques and the intent to apply relavent force are also the key factors in a full contact stand up or submissions fight.

Boxing skills and training alone wont win you a fight against any well rounded and experienced MMA'ist or a well rounded street fighter.

Unless of course they lose their brains completely and decide not to use their advantage and stand toe to toe with the boxer and exchange punches.

[nutter]

Originally Posted by Richard Kerr

Boxing skills and training alone wont win you a fight against any well rounded and experienced MMA'ist or a well rounded street fighter.

What about a fight against a normal bloke right?

[Richard Kerr]

Originally Posted by nutter

What about a fight against a normal bloke right?

A normal bloke will most likely get knocked out quick coz he's not used to having punches thrown at his jaw therefore will probably just shat his self instead of responding in a positive fashion.

[nutter]

So you are basically retracting your previous outburst about how boxers are only dangerous if they sucker punch you right?

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

You're hardly qualified to rate a post. Though, I also refuted you, seeing as to how you made it easy lol. But I also think that was an excellent post Tom.

Isnt it time you crawled back to rapist land (MAP) with all your friends. andy, nutter, jones and trainglechoke? get lost we, dont need you TROLLS your little love traingle is old Oh BTW you just joined your sisters on my ignore list...Tom Yum is far more capable of making and rating a posts than your entire inbred lot of faggot friends and family

[Troll Virus]

Originally Posted by Troll Virus

You're not interested in anyone's viewpoint, unless it fires off some trivial cyclic arguement. Innit

La La La, we're not listening.