The Ultimate in Martial Arts

lei_kung · 05-17-2006, 02:43 PM

First, where I train BJJ we aren't allowed to use leg locks. I believe this is very limiting and can be dangerous if I face someone who is. Living in Milwaukee there aren't any other real places I can train BJJ but wish to develop grappling leg attacks and defense. Would anyone have suggestions for quality DVDs that show the techniques in detail along with escapes?

Lei Kung

**Hardball** · 05-17-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lei_kung

First, where I train BJJ we aren't allowed to use leg locks. I believe this is very limiting and can be dangerous if I face someone who is. Living in Milwaukee there aren't any other real places I can train BJJ but wish to develop grappling leg attacks and defense. Would anyone have suggestions for quality DVDs that show the techniques in detail along with escapes?

Lei Kung

Russian Sambo--they SPECIALIZE in leg locks.

JkD187 · 05-17-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lei_kung

First, where I train BJJ we aren't allowed to use leg locks. I believe this is very limiting and can be dangerous if I face someone who is. Living in Milwaukee there aren't any other real places I can train BJJ but wish to develop grappling leg attacks and defense. Would anyone have suggestions for quality DVDs that show the techniques in detail along with escapes?

Lei Kung

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...cat=292&page=8

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...cat=292&page=8

Tant01 · 05-17-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

Russian Sambo--they SPECIALIZE in leg locks.

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Yup!

SamuraiGuy · 05-17-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lei_kung

First, where I train BJJ we aren't allowed to use leg locks. I believe this is very limiting and can be dangerous if I face someone who is. Living in Milwaukee there aren't any other real places I can train BJJ but wish to develop grappling leg attacks and defense. Would anyone have suggestions for quality DVDs that show the techniques in detail along with escapes?

Lei Kung

Your BJJ club might teach leg locks, you just may not know about it.

Alot of schools wont teach white belts, or even blue belts leg locks, as they can be more debilitating than a messed up armbar (your messing with knees here), and white belts tend to be overzelous (spaz's) or they just do not have the knowledge of what they are actually doing, they dont have the complete control of the limb a purple or brown belt does.

Your school may start to teach that at higher skill levels, because if they didnt they would be limiting themselves options in all of grappling, and giving themselves a disadvantage in competitions.

In general though, leg locks are kinda risky as you give up position if it doesnt work, and some people overuse them and never really learn to pass the gaurd properly.

aseepish · 05-17-2006, 05:17 PM

https://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/130.html - A six-volume set focusing on leg-locks.

Be VERY careful with leg locks, especially heel hooks. Tap early - when you're dealing with the knee, by the time you feel pain, you've already caused some damage.

sapatiero · 05-19-2006, 08:27 AM

I love leg locks, but heel hooks scare the sh*t out of me, my knees are too old to take that kind of abuse. If someone tries one on me, I'd recommend spinning like an idiot, & doing a bongo solo if he's still holding it when you stop

.

Why not ask if you can learn the straight achilles lock? It's a lot safer than any of the twisting locks, and is a good place to start. For that reason, it's legal in the lower belts of most tournaments.

Sapateiro is portugese for 'cobbler' - my instructor gave me the handle because I spend a lot of time staring at my opponents feet

medic06 · 05-19-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aseepish

https://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/130.html - A six-volume set focusing on leg-locks.

Be VERY careful with leg locks, especially heel hooks. Tap early - when you're dealing with the knee, by the time you feel pain, you've already caused some damage.

Yes, be very careful. I had my knee damaged by a leglock about 8 years ago and it still gives me problems. All it takes is just a split second.

Hdog · 05-19-2006, 12:38 PM

www.GracieElessons.com and

www.dogsofwar.net

Tant01 · 05-21-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

The bar-none best source for leg locks I've ever known was Erik Paulson. ...

.... I highly recommend checking his stuff out.

He's the "go to" guy! I'd sure love to train with him!

Leg locks are leg locks are leg locks...They all work on the same principles of torque and leverage. They are often reserved for higher ranked players because of the tendency for destruction. Nothing like surgery and months of painful rehabilitation to fix a few seconds (or moments) of torque.

Igor has the scoop on SAMBO leg locks "Igor Yakimov’s Ultimate Leg Locks of Russian Sambo video series is considered to be the greatest work on leg locks ever produced."

http://www.groundfighter.com/products/catid/36.html

JkD187 · 05-21-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

The bar-none best source for leg locks I've ever known was Erik Paulson. if you get the chance or are in the LA area, stop by the Inosanto Academy and get a few classes from him. Also, I think he may have some videos on the topic, but I have not seen them. All I can tell you is that he's got mor leg locks than most people have total techniques, and he can make them work. I highly recommend checking his stuff out.

Bingo! Erik Paulson is one of the Best MMA coaches on the planet....espically like you said with the Leg locks and the Killer chicken wings!

sapatiero · 05-22-2006, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

The bar-none best source for leg locks I've ever known was Erik Paulson. if you get the chance or are in the LA area, stop by the Inosanto Academy and get a few classes from him. Also, I think he may have some videos on the topic, but I have not seen them. All I can tell you is that he's got mor leg locks than most people have total techniques, and he can make them work. I highly recommend checking his stuff out.

Good call! Erik Paulson's awesome.

doubleouch · 05-25-2006, 12:03 AM

I'd concentrate more on building a good solid game based on fundamentals and not worry so much about leg locks. I don't think that not having a vast arsenal of leg locks will hurt you one bit. You should train them some however. I'd agree with the Eric Paulson statement. I think that he's probably made the most systematic approach to leg locks of anyone around. I think Vunak talked at some point though about developing a leg lock game against the guard. I haven't seen any of it though.

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lei_kung Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Needing help with leg locks. First, where I train BJJ we aren't allowed to use leg locks. I believe this is very limiting and can be dangerous if I face someone who is. Living in Milwaukee there aren't any other real places I can train BJJ but wish to develop grappling leg attacks and defense. Would anyone have suggestions for quality DVDs that show the techniques in detail along with escapes? Lei Kung

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aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,758 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	https://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/130.html - A six-volume set focusing on leg-locks. Be VERY careful with leg locks, especially heel hooks. Tap early - when you're dealing with the knee, by the time you feel pain, you've already caused some damage. __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

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sapatiero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 255 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love leg locks, but heel hooks scare the sh*t out of me, my knees are too old to take that kind of abuse. If someone tries one on me, I'd recommend spinning like an idiot, & doing a bongo solo if he's still holding it when you stop . Why not ask if you can learn the straight achilles lock? It's a lot safer than any of the twisting locks, and is a good place to start. For that reason, it's legal in the lower belts of most tournaments. Sapateiro is portugese for 'cobbler' - my instructor gave me the handle because I spend a lot of time staring at my opponents feet

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doubleouch Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: portland, or Posts: 418 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd concentrate more on building a good solid game based on fundamentals and not worry so much about leg locks. I don't think that not having a vast arsenal of leg locks will hurt you one bit. You should train them some however. I'd agree with the Eric Paulson statement. I think that he's probably made the most systematic approach to leg locks of anyone around. I think Vunak talked at some point though about developing a leg lock game against the guard. I haven't seen any of it though.

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