15th century wrestling

[philippe willau]

Hello gentleman.
I a more of an old aikido (pre-war) sensitivity myself, none the less I am interested in medieval wrestling and here is a piece that I am not to sure that I interpret right.
All the other piece are done from standing, and I have interpreted that one so but there is a possibility that we are going to the ground and I think you are the right guys to ask.
So may be I could pick your brain. Mayu be the description will remind you of something you do.
Anyway thanks in advance.

The pieces is part of the untreated which mean holding under=pining

The first one is get the gay on the floor face first and apply an arm lock whilst standing (aiki/jujitsu immobilisation galore)

The second one is as we send him on the floor we kneel one elbow, press on the throat with the elbow of the same side and control the other hand with our other hand.

Daß dritt vnderhalten.
The third Pin
Item, so du ain magst werften vff den ruck, in dem selben begryff im baidebain vnder dem kny mitt baiden (72 r) henden; vnd heb im die bain vff, sodu höchst känst, vnd fall mitt baiden knyen zwischen sine bain vff sin hoden;vnd hüg/ züg, daß du mitt ainer hand sine bayde bayn gehalten magst, so erwerstdu mitt der anderen hand nach dinem willen.

Item So you may be thrown by one upon/onto the back In the same movement, engage him at both legs under the knee with either/both grip/hands, and lift his legs so you can rise and fall onto/(or strike if auf fallen) with either/both knees inside his leg (between his legs) upon/off his bollocks and move/wrangle, that you may hold the either/both leg with one hand, so you can accord your other hand to your will. (I.e. do what you want with it)

phil

[Clooneytkd]

i dont really understand what your asking but a couple of those sound like wrestling. the first one could be a wizzer or a russian arm drag, hammer lock/chicken wing. and the 3rd one sounds clearer, like a double leg or ankle pick, to some type of mount postion. wrestling probably mixed with some type of fighting that the made up or took from jujistsu or something. basically it sounds like they took wrestling and modified it into wwf wrestling. which you can see on tv. i actually havnt watched in years. does anyone know if anything cool happned?

[philippe willau]

hello
Let me give it an other try them
Forget the other pieces I an interested with the one where you have both/either one knee on his gonads.
Ie
Daß dritt vnderhalten.
The third Pin
Item, so du ain magst werften vff den ruck, in dem selben begryff im baidebain vnder dem kny mitt baiden (72 r) henden; vnd heb im die bain vff, sodu höchst känst, vnd fall mitt baiden knyen zwischen sine bain vff sin hoden;vnd hüg/ züg, daß du mitt ainer hand sine bayde bayn gehalten magst, so erwerstdu mitt der anderen hand nach dinem willen.

Item So you may be thrown by one upon/onto the back In the same movement, engage him at both legs under the knee with either/both grip/hands, and lift his legs so you can rise and fall onto/(or strike if auf fallen) with either/both knees inside his leg (between his legs) upon/off his bollocks and move/wrangle, that you may hold the either/both leg with one hand, so you can accord your other hand to your will. (I.e. do what you want with it)

Does that sound like something familiar that you do?