question on tyson, and fighting

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Homo... there were no pure boxers... only karate champs and kenpo guys and stuff. Any boxers who did join were of little caliber. Think about it... a pro will dominate a normal boxer who may have been training multiple times a week for years... you didnt even have the first type of boxer that i just described in the early UFC... and a pro... even one not that good, will make the amateur look stupid... Think about it.... the level is jsut too great... you obviously never boxed... but you're an idiot anyway so it doesnt matter.

then why wouldnt Tyson fight Rickson for 1 million straight up? If he'd KO him so easlily?
Tyson would have gotten KILLED THEN JUST LIKE A BOXER WOULD GET KILLED NOW AGAINST A RANDOM BJJ BLACK BELT, DESTROYED, TAKEN DOWN AND TAPPED. How stupid can you be? ON a MMA board thinking a boxer can win at MMA in any time or day, THATS WHY THEY CALL IT BOXING CUZ THEY NEED TO KEEP IT STANDING lmao, go back to cartoons jr, paaaaleaseeeeeeeeee

[rev.jc]

yet chuck lidell dominates the ufs now, a kick boxer face it dude the ufc is for athletes now, perhaps you should actually fight some time! have you watched the ufc, buy the way as matthughes says the best counter for a submission is a punch in the face, please no more stupid immoral graphics

and the gracies arn't on top any more did you catch the fight? yes power and training matter !

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by rev.jc

yet chuck lidell dominates the ufs now, a kick boxer face it dude the ufc is for athletes now, perhaps you should actually fight some time! have you watched the ufc, buy the way as matthughes says the best counter for a submission is a punch in the face, please no more stupid immoral graphics

and the gracies arn't on top any more did you catch the fight? yes power and training matter !

Liddel is awesome, a division 1A wrestler, he can avoid takedowns and when he gets there is at least a purple in BJJ, or actually is Ive heard (anyone know?), a powerful puncher and solid iron chin, that guy can take a seriiuos beating evidnent by the fight with ovliver oversteam (something liek that)the kickboxer from amsterdam that chuck faught in Pride.
The GRacies arent on top? Hmm, lets count the number of GRacie trained fighters that are in MMA and see how titles they have, furthermore, Roger GRacie tossed around one of the greatest BJJ guys ever in Jacare at the ADCC and submitted everyone 8-0 he faught. The best grapplers on the planet are Gracies, bar none, or their trained fighters like Dean Lister (Ricksons black belt Fabio was deans master). GRacies are a long way from being out of this game. long long way

[sapatiero]

Helio Gracie challenged Joe Frasier, Joe declined.
Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Mike declined.

'Nuff said...

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by sapatiero

Helio Gracie challenged Joe Frasier, Joe declined.
Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Mike declined.

'Nuff said...

Helio challened J-Luck, J-luck declined.....Rickson challenged Boarspear, Boar ran for momma.....Rickson challegned me and I tapped him out, but his record is still 445949-0? what gives?

[doJu]

In all honestly, Tyson would have been very dominate in the early UFC's but i think he would have made the mistake of clinching with Royce.......Just to be fair, Tyson could have beet all 1 dimentional fighters in the early UFC including Royce. Tyson in 4 ounce gloves might have even killed someone.

Tyson in his prime against other heavy weight fighters today,(like FEDOR, Big Nog, AA, Mirko, Hunt, Sergei, etc.) would get dominated. The best boxer in the world fighting in Pride or UFC against the champions of their weight class would get creamed...Enough said.


OFL is on!!!!

[medic06]

Originally Posted by doJu

In all honestly, Tyson would have been very dominate in the early UFC's but i think he would have made the mistake of clinching with Royce.......Just to be fair, Tyson could have beet all 1 dimentional fighters in the early UFC including Royce. Tyson in 4 ounce gloves might have even killed someone.

Tyson in his prime against other heavy weight fighters today,(like FEDOR, Big Nog, AA, Mirko, Hunt, Sergei, etc.) would get dominated. The best boxer in the world fighting in Pride or UFC against the champions of their weight class would get creamed...Enough said.


OFL is on!!!!

Spoken by someone who has never seen Tyson in his prime

[bigred389]

Originally Posted by medic06

Spoken by someone who has never seen Tyson in his prime

Well I don't think there's any disagreement that going toe to toe with Tyson standing up would not be smart for ANY of the current MMA heavyweights.

Kicking is something he wouldn't be used to either though, especially low kicks to wear away the boxer's use of mobility.

And would he be smart enough to wave people back up after knocking them down? Or would he follow them down for the deadly ear bite?

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by HOMO

then why wouldnt Tyson fight Rickson for 1 million straight up? If he'd KO him so easlily?
Tyson would have gotten KILLED THEN JUST LIKE A BOXER WOULD GET KILLED NOW AGAINST A RANDOM BJJ BLACK BELT, DESTROYED, TAKEN DOWN AND TAPPED. How stupid can you be? ON a MMA board thinking a boxer can win at MMA in any time or day, THATS WHY THEY CALL IT BOXING CUZ THEY NEED TO KEEP IT STANDING lmao, go back to cartoons jr, paaaaleaseeeeeeeeee

So you're saying ground is superior to standing... that makes no sense... I said he'd get ruled on the ground didn't I? But don't discount a whole range of fighting.

Damn, you should go back to watching cartoons cause after this stupid post... I think it's the only shit on TV you can under stand.

P.S. when did Rickson challenge him???

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by sapatiero

Helio Gracie challenged Joe Frasier, Joe declined.
Rickson Gracie challenged Mike Tyson, Mike declined.

'Nuff said...

If they were challenged... I'm sure they didn't accpet... makes sense.

Money... wayyyyy off... plus, what were the rules... the stipulation?? This all needs to be exposed before we make a decision.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by doJu

In all honestly, Tyson would have been very dominate in the early UFC's but i think he would have made the mistake of clinching with Royce.......Just to be fair, Tyson could have beet all 1 dimentional fighters in the early UFC including Royce. Tyson in 4 ounce gloves might have even killed someone.

Tyson in his prime against other heavy weight fighters today,(like FEDOR, Big Nog, AA, Mirko, Hunt, Sergei, etc.) would get dominated. The best boxer in the world fighting in Pride or UFC against the champions of their weight class would get creamed...Enough said.


OFL is on!!!!

Why would it be a mistake, honestly... when he has a one punch knockout... who could take that punch... NOT ROYCE... he would have trouble taking tyson down(200-210lbs in his prime vs Royce at 175-180 in his.)

[doJu]

It doesnt matter if Tyson would whoop the shit out of anyone in the early UFC...he would lose easily(if he was in his prime) to modern top HW fighters.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by doJu

It doesnt matter if Tyson would whoop the shit out of anyone in the early UFC...he would lose easily(if he was in his prime) to modern top HW fighters.

This is true... but boxing shouldn't be discounted... and wait... lemme take your argument from before... wouldn't he have evolved with shamrock and them considering his athletisism... just throwin that out there.

By the way, you're a dumbass, answer me in the posts, not in PM's, you racist shit.

[doJu]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

This is true... but boxing shouldn't be discounted... and wait... lemme take your argument from before... wouldn't he have evolved with shamrock and them considering his athletisism... just throwin that out there.

By the way, you're a dumbass, answer me in the posts, not in PM's, you racist shit.

Yes, Tyson would have evolved like Shamrock(not a good fighter) and other mma pioneers. He probably would have been the best mma fighter up until his age got to him, which was a while ago. But Tyson would have never done MMA because he was getting paid so much more Boxing.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Why would it be a mistake, honestly... when he has a one punch knockout... who could take that punch... NOT ROYCE... he would have trouble taking tyson down(200-210lbs in his prime vs Royce at 175-180 in his.)

Royce took down guys that were WAY stronger than Mike, including a roided 260lb Kimo and Severn a monster wrestler, and the list goes on, all went down, all tapped. all of them, Mike would have had 1-100 chance to win a fight back then with any BJJ black belt, let alone Royce.
Like I said, give Mike 6 solid years or so of BJJ and mix in 3 or so of Muay Thai back then, and you have the baddest human being ever to fight. But in reality, a purple belt would tap him out, even a college wrestler would spank him, lest he land a blow