rear naked choke defense question

[treelizard]

So someone's trying to get a rear naked choke and of course my chin is all the way down, what can I do when they're cranking the hell out of it anyway and trying to kill my jaw? I mean, what can I do so it won't hurt as much until I can get their arm over.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by treelizard

So someone's trying to get a rear naked choke and of course my chin is all the way down, what can I do when they're cranking the hell out of it anyway and trying to kill my jaw? I mean, what can I do so it won't hurt as much until I can get their arm over.

no pain no gain.

nothing u can really cept endure it or tap out. sometimes people dont need the choke, they can cause so much pressure on the jaw that people will tap out from the pain.

[shamster]

If the guy has secured the choke already, it's sorta too late. The best option is to pull down on his choking arm with both of your hands.

[Tant01]

Standing up there are more options than on the deck...

[OmaPlata]

You gotta pull the arm if its not too late and of course turn the direction his his fingers are pointing to escape, after you turned your legs and got one of his hooks out. But once hes secured the choke and even if its over your jaw and not you neck it doesnt matter, it hurts and you will be wise to tap, espeically if its just during training

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by treelizard

So someone's trying to get a rear naked choke and of course my chin is all the way down, what can I do when they're cranking the hell out of it anyway and trying to kill my jaw? I mean, what can I do so it won't hurt as much until I can get their arm over.

If he has it on your jaw the best thing you can do is...endure long enough to put one hand on the forearm hes choking you with..pull it down as hard as you can...with your other hand try and pull down his hand thats behind your head....if you get it off make sure you take control of the wrist and dont let go...when you have his wrist secured start to turn into him and work your way into his guard...if you cant turn in...try and overhook your foot on his and then turn in.

[treelizard]

LOL, Okay, fine, no magic bullet... so you just put up with it until you can get his arm over, I get it. I just thought it was hard to work for better positioning while dealing with the putting up with the choke stuff.

I thought it'd be easier to avoid letting them get the choke in if we were allowed to break their pinkies.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by treelizard

I thought it'd be easier to avoid letting them get the choke in if we were allowed to break their pinkies.

Well that would make them not want to let off the choke when you tap, and then you get put to sleep for eva and eva and eva and then you start seeing Boarspear in Hell waiting for you to be his bitch !

[treelizard]

No way, dude!! "Because even if my physical body shold fall before you to the earth, I am not worried. For I know that my spirit will arise to the heavens, as it is unconquerable." --Guro Dan

But remember I train for SD (well and for fun), and it got me wondering what I would do on the street--biting and breaking pinkies to avoid getting choked out seemed like options.

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Well that would make them not want to let off the choke when you tap, and then you get put to sleep for eva and eva and eva and then you start seeing Boarspear in Hell waiting for you to be his bitch !

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by treelizard

No way, dude!! "Because even if my physical body shold fall before you to the earth, I am not worried. For I know that my spirit will arise to the heavens, as it is unconquerable." --Guro Dan

But remember I train for SD (well and for fun), and it got me wondering what I would do on the street--biting and breaking pinkies to avoid getting choked out seemed like options.

As long as you know/can perform an escape afterwards its great..trying to bite a ground fighter without knowing how to escape is a lost cause because he will get pissed and youll go to sleep....however if you bite him and then do the escape youll be set.

[treelizard]

Yeah, I know the escape, it's just a matter of getting there without having to tap out first.

I was surprised to hear the guys in my class saying biting on the street is a bad idea because "then if he does get to you he'll be even more pissed off"-- as if someone who's trying to strangle you is being nice and dainty.

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by treelizard

Yeah, I know the escape, it's just a matter of getting there without having to tap out first.

I was surprised to hear the guys in my class saying biting on the street is a bad idea because "then if he does get to you he'll be even more pissed off"-- as if someone who's trying to strangle you is being nice and dainty.

Thats why i said know/perform....any technique means nothing if you know it but cant use it when the heat is on.The guys in your class are also retarted...if by some "miracle" you happen to face a beter grappler then yourself in a streetfight why not try and bite them? if they have your back and you cant escape it..bite that mofo hard as hell then escape.....makes great sense to me.

[treelizard]

Hey, don't diss my classmates!

I think the rule of thumb I try to go by is what I used when learning wilderness survival. "What's gonna kill you first?" If I risk escalating to avoid getting choked and passing out (and who knows what'll happen in those few seconds--or worse if they keep the choke on longer) then it's a good risk to take. They were correct, I think, in pointing out that it would in fact escalate...

[treelizard]

One more question--if you had that choke on someone and they broke your finger, would your automatic response be to choke harder or to let go?

[blitz]

If I had the choke on, right now I would say I would choke harder, but then again I don't know what my response would be if it actually happened to me, I might let go and beat the shit out of whoevers head it is, seems like a good choice too!

And about escaping the rear naked choke, you can try to keep defending then lock their elbow in, and sweep them to the side, usually they will make a mistake after trying to choke for so long. Another escape is just keep them from applying the pressure then get one hook off and keep going to the side then the other hook will go off eventually if you can still keep the first one off.