Quickest a choke can put you out in

[Reala]

I was watching a video of Joe Rogan the other day, he applied a choke and literally about 2/3 seconds into the choke the bloke colapsed and was out...

What's the deal with that? Is there a special technique or are some people just more subseptable then others?

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by Reala

I was watching a video of Joe Rogan the other day, he applied a choke and literally about 2/3 seconds into the choke the bloke colapsed and was out...

What's the deal with that? Is there a special technique or are some people just more subseptable then others?

It depends on several things.

How deep you've got the choke "sunk".

How much pressure you are applying, squeezing with the arms, deeply breathing in (expanding the chest making it tighter), pushing into their head with your head, etc...

There is also what they are doing, if there neck is all tensed up (which it will be for 99% of people as someone is choking the life out of them) they will go out faster, than if you relax.

[Reala]

The said video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtZnL...ch=joe%20rogan

Hair enough... but how in 2/3 seconds?

[treelizard]

How are you supposed to relax your neck when you are shrugging your shoulders? For me keeping my shoulders up (like you're supposed to) automatically makes me tense up a little...

[sapatiero]

Helio Gracie has choked guys out immediately by snapping on the choke hard & fast - almost like a knockout punch. I've never felt another choke like his

[Reala]

You've felt one of Gracies chokes?

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by treelizard

How are you supposed to relax your neck when you are shrugging your shoulders? For me keeping my shoulders up (like you're supposed to) automatically makes me tense up a little...

You dont need to put your shoulders up neccessarily just drop your chin. You can drop your chin without tensing up, well.. you can still be relaxed, I'm sure if you drop your chin sitting at your computer as you read this, your not going to be stressed out like when someones choking you.

Also, and I hate to throw out the "myth" here, but it's been documented Rickson Gracie's, use of yoga, and extreme relaxtion to avoid being submitted. If you are completely relaxed.. as he tries to be... it gives you more time to work escapes and that. This didnt come easy though, hours upon hours, upon hours of training he devoted to this, its the same thing with his arms, armbars on him can be stretched a little farther because he relaxes everything.

You say "thats just hearsay"

look at Royce, his brother, look at his face when Hughes had bent his arm well past 180 degrees, calm as day, he was relaxed as shit with that armbar on.

[Reala]

Yeah... that armbar was sick... I thought it was going to snap and 25% of the viewing public were gonna puke lol.

[treelizard]

I thought you were supposed to put your shoulders up.

I totally hear you on yoga and relaxation. Easier to break a board than it is to break a hose. Even in blocking kicks looking at a tense vs. relaxed leg... it makes sense.

[Boxer12345]

Can't a choke still make you tap it you put your chin down by hurting your jaw?

[Reala]

Of course, a failed choke can also be put into a neck crank.

[GotaDeGuerra]

Originally Posted by treelizard

How are you supposed to relax your neck when you are shrugging your shoulders? For me keeping my shoulders up (like you're supposed to) automatically makes me tense up a little...

You're not relaxing your neck- you're recessing your veins, and supporting them with muscle (because the other guy's trying to pinch off the blood to your brain.

A solid blood choke (as was taught to me at least :P) can put someone out in 8-12 seconds. An air choke, 1-3 minutes.

[sapatiero]

Originally Posted by Reala

You've felt one of Gracies chokes?

A few of them - I've trained with most of Helios sons, but Helio's was amazing. He has massive wrists for such a small man. I guess when he did his really quick chokes he was hitting pressure points?

[Reala]

A few of them - I've trained with most of Helios sons, but Helio's was amazing. He has massive wrists for such a small man. I guess when he did his really quick chokes he was hitting pressure points?

Where, how, when ?????????

[sapatiero]

Regularly go to LA to train with Rorion & his sons, and Helio comes down once or twice a year, sometimes Royce too. My training partner James stayed there for 6 months and became an assistant instructor for Rorion. Spent 4 months training in Barra in Brazil & trained with Carlos Gracie Jr, along with Rolles jr., and world champs like Pe da Pano, Marcio Fetosa (also trained with him in LA), Largarto, Carlos Lemos etc. The GB combat team train there as well - Babalu etc. Trained at Roylers in Rio too, he's a really nice guy.

Now training in Bristol, UK at Gracie Barra under Carlos Lemos Jr. I love this sport

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...enerrorion.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...iro/Royler.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...racieJames.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...eiro/Royce.jpg

If you're asking how Helio managed to get an 'immediate choke', I'm not sure. Perhaps the impact against the neck caused a shock that caused unconsciousness in the same way a strike does to the chin? I know there are meant to be pressure point knockout strikes in some of the traditional arts, although I've always been sceptical of how practical they are.