The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Martial Artist · 10-04-2000, 11:11 PM

What do you think the outcome would be?This would be the fight of all fights.The outcome would be 10x greater than the Royce vs. Sak fight could have ever been thought of.Rickson Gracie is called a fake by others but with Royce,Royler,and Renzo saying he is the best,I dont see them just blowing smoke up our ars.Mario Sperry is one of the most active black belts in sport jiu-jitsu.Some people see him as one of the top 20 jiu-jitsu fighters of all time.Others say he has no "Technique" and he plays the rules for him.They also say he gets a dominate position and stalls for the points.But he WINS when he plays the rules for him.But would that help Sperry in a NTL match.

By the way there is a possibilaty for Sperry and Rickson to hook up being the fact that they are both under the Colliseum Orginization.

10-04-2000, 11:17 PM

I think Rickson would duck Sperry like he ducks everyone else in the MA world.

That said, if they did tangle, Rickson would probably win due to psychological advantage alone. Everyone in Brazil seems to think he's unbeatable, especially in pure jiu-jitsu.

Mr. Miyagi · 10-04-2000, 11:53 PM

A couple things to consider. When Sperry competes, he generally scores points to win, does not relentlessly pursue subs. Rickson hasn't competed in point tournaments in years and years, he just rolls with top guys periodically and makes them tap. Sperry and Rickson both can tap Royler. I can't make the prediction for sure, because even the top bjj guys that Rickson taps (Traven, Gurgel, Saulo) would probably have to tap to Sperry eventually in NTL also. I think that Bustamante and Liborio could be just as competitive as Sperry.

duchman · 10-05-2000, 10:28 AM

sPERy would use and abuse qrickson in ten different ways

Tony10 · 10-05-2000, 10:30 AM

While I agree with Ronin that Rickson's legendary aura will always give him a sort of intimidating presence, I've always thought that if there's one guy who's going to give him a run for his money, it's Sperry.

Having said that, by this time there's a lot of Brazilian guys that I think could possibly give Rickson trouble, if only because JJ is advancing so rapidly down there as opposed to in the states.

Nevertheless, all those cool new techniques are moot if you can't get in position to use them, and I don't know if you can get Rickson in that position! LOL!

Sperry, however, has brute strength/weight + technique, so just maybe...

GROUND CONTROL · 10-05-2000, 10:37 AM

Rickson would easily beat Mario. As you guys have already said Mario is a point player. In a NTL match his stalling would be meaningless. Rickson taps Traven easily. Mario fought Traven at Abu Dhabi for 40 minutes and couldn't even score a takedown. In NTL Rickson would finish him.

duchman · 10-05-2000, 10:48 AM

i heard rickson lost a sambo match!

GROUND CONTROL · 10-05-2000, 11:48 AM

douche man - Sperry lost to Igor Zinoviev. He was mounted on him many times and couldn't finish him. What makes you think he can beat Rickson?

Tony10 · 10-05-2000, 11:55 AM

Ground Control: a lot of people point to that loss and say "Sperry sucks" because of it. I don't think one loss--quite a long time ago--can define the guy. He's done pretty f'ing well at Abu Dhabi and other places since then. No mean feat.

Duchman: as I understand it, the Sambo match was lost on points when Rickson got thrown. As the story goes, he "didn't know" the rules clearly (...) enough to know that would cost him the match. However, it wasn't like he was submitted or anything.

Lacrymosa · 10-05-2000, 12:26 PM

It amazes me how I rush into these threads expecting ground-breaking news......

ahem......I think Rickson would win.

Hawk · 10-05-2000, 01:15 PM

On a given day, anyone can be beaten. That being said, Rickson IMO would beat Sperry the majority of the time they fought.
Hawk

duchman · 10-05-2000, 01:54 PM

Yeah right he did not know the rulles.

why does he claim to be sambo champ than??

Tony10 · 10-05-2000, 03:11 PM

Sigh.

Duchman,

a) Perhaps you noticed in parentheses: (...). After the "didn't know the rules" part. That basically means "whatever."

b) I've never heard Rickson claim to be a Sambo champ, nor a champion of anything except JJ.

Martial Artist · 10-05-2000, 06:10 PM

I wish I was the Sambo guy that beat Rickson.Just being able to say "I am the only one to ever beat Rickson Gracie is pretty cool"

Martial Artist · 10-05-2000, 06:12 PM

O yea by the way,Sperry would be Ricksons biaaatch!!!Rickson could tap Mario at "will"

10-04-2000, 11:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Martial Artist Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orange, Texas Posts: 536 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What do you think the outcome would be?This would be the fight of all fights.The outcome would be 10x greater than the Royce vs. Sak fight could have ever been thought of.Rickson Gracie is called a fake by others but with Royce,Royler,and Renzo saying he is the best,I dont see them just blowing smoke up our ars.Mario Sperry is one of the most active black belts in sport jiu-jitsu.Some people see him as one of the top 20 jiu-jitsu fighters of all time.Others say he has no "Technique" and he plays the rules for him.They also say he gets a dominate position and stalls for the points.But he WINS when he plays the rules for him.But would that help Sperry in a NTL match. By the way there is a possibilaty for Sperry and Rickson to hook up being the fact that they are both under the Colliseum Orginization. __________________ "Kerr should sparr Mike Tyson because they have talked before on the phone" Tape Lord

10-05-2000, 10:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	sPERy would use and abuse qrickson in ten different ways __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

10-05-2000, 10:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i heard rickson lost a sambo match! __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

10-05-2000, 12:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lacrymosa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,555 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It amazes me how I rush into these threads expecting ground-breaking news...... ahem......I think Rickson would win. __________________ Lacrymosa dies illa qua resurget ex favilla.

10-05-2000, 01:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	On a given day, anyone can be beaten. That being said, Rickson IMO would beat Sperry the majority of the time they fought. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

10-04-2000, 11:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	I think Rickson would duck Sperry like he ducks everyone else in the MA world. That said, if they did tangle, Rickson would probably win due to psychological advantage alone. Everyone in Brazil seems to think he's unbeatable, especially in pure jiu-jitsu.

10-04-2000, 11:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 758 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A couple things to consider. When Sperry competes, he generally scores points to win, does not relentlessly pursue subs. Rickson hasn't competed in point tournaments in years and years, he just rolls with top guys periodically and makes them tap. Sperry and Rickson both can tap Royler. I can't make the prediction for sure, because even the top bjj guys that Rickson taps (Traven, Gurgel, Saulo) would probably have to tap to Sperry eventually in NTL also. I think that Bustamante and Liborio could be just as competitive as Sperry.

10-05-2000, 10:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tony10 Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 527 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	While I agree with Ronin that Rickson's legendary aura will always give him a sort of intimidating presence, I've always thought that if there's one guy who's going to give him a run for his money, it's Sperry. Having said that, by this time there's a lot of Brazilian guys that I think could possibly give Rickson trouble, if only because JJ is advancing so rapidly down there as opposed to in the states. Nevertheless, all those cool new techniques are moot if you can't get in position to use them, and I don't know if you can get Rickson in that position! LOL! Sperry, however, has brute strength/weight + technique, so just maybe...

10-05-2000, 10:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
GROUND CONTROL Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 133 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rickson would easily beat Mario. As you guys have already said Mario is a point player. In a NTL match his stalling would be meaningless. Rickson taps Traven easily. Mario fought Traven at Abu Dhabi for 40 minutes and couldn't even score a takedown. In NTL Rickson would finish him.

10-05-2000, 11:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
GROUND CONTROL Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 133 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	douche man - Sperry lost to Igor Zinoviev. He was mounted on him many times and couldn't finish him. What makes you think he can beat Rickson?

10-05-2000, 11:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tony10 Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 527 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ground Control: a lot of people point to that loss and say "Sperry sucks" because of it. I don't think one loss--quite a long time ago--can define the guy. He's done pretty f'ing well at Abu Dhabi and other places since then. No mean feat. Duchman: as I understand it, the Sambo match was lost on points when Rickson got thrown. As the story goes, he "didn't know" the rules clearly (...) enough to know that would cost him the match. However, it wasn't like he was submitted or anything.

10-05-2000, 01:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah right he did not know the rulles. why does he claim to be sambo champ than??

10-05-2000, 03:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tony10 Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 527 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sigh. Duchman, a) Perhaps you noticed in parentheses: (...). After the "didn't know the rules" part. That basically means "whatever." b) I've never heard Rickson claim to be a Sambo champ, nor a champion of anything except JJ. __________________ Are you not entertained?!

10-05-2000, 06:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Martial Artist Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orange, Texas Posts: 536 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wish I was the Sambo guy that beat Rickson.Just being able to say "I am the only one to ever beat Rickson Gracie is pretty cool" __________________ "Kerr should sparr Mike Tyson because they have talked before on the phone" Tape Lord

10-05-2000, 06:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Martial Artist Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orange, Texas Posts: 536 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	O yea by the way,Sperry would be Ricksons biaaatch!!!Rickson could tap Mario at "will" __________________ "Kerr should sparr Mike Tyson because they have talked before on the phone" Tape Lord

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