Knee kicks and wrist locks

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Penance, when you say "wristlocks", are talking about grabbing and controlling your opponent's wrist or doing some Aikido corriagraphed magical wrist-throw?

This is the Aikido wrist throw im talking about...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGgU...0wrist%20throw

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

When you say "wristlocks", are talking about grabbing and controlling your opponent's wrist or doing some Aikido corriagraphed magical wrist-throw?

This is the Aikido wrist throw im talking about...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGgU...0wrist%20throw

Ever trained any Aikido?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Ever trained any Aikido?

No. ..........

[Thai Bri]

I did make one work once. I tried it again many times. It never worked again.

And the first one was against an awkward guy, rather than someone aiming to bat my head off......

[Penance]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

Penance, when you say "wristlocks", are talking about grabbing and controlling your opponent's wrist or doing some Aikido corriagraphed magical wrist-throw?

This is the Aikido wrist throw im talking about...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGgU...0wrist%20throw

No, absolutely not. I'm talking about chin na and jiu jitsu type wrist locks used in a practical manner.

This is the best picture I could find showing the type of position I'd use a wrist lock from standing up

If the lock itself didn't work, I'd use the response to set up the clinch, or an underhook, or another takedown. Is it going to flip them over 100% of the time like in some kung fu flick? No. Will it off balance them? Yes. Will it distract them from then on or leave an opening for something else? Yes.

I also use them alot from my guard. They're also handy to use on people that have taken your back and are going for a rear naked.

I'm not saying they're magic. They take practice, and you have to use them intelligently. They have to be done fast (less than .5 seconds) and with power.

Think of the times you'd like to be able to just slap someone in the face. That's usually when I'll try to sneak in a lock because it has the same effect. Think of it as a jab you use when you can't get a real jab in.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

So youre talking about wrist control? But still youre not going flip or throw a good opponent by his wrist.....but you could definetly use it to set up your shot.

[DJColdfusion]

Sorry, didn't read every post . . . seemed to be rehashing the same points repeatedly; however, in defense of wristlocks . . . Renaldo "Jacare" Desousa broke a guys arm with a wrist locks at the BJJ World Championships (I think it was 2004). And the late Carlson Gracie Sr. taugh the "Cow's Hoof" submission which is essentially a wristlock out of side control. So they're there.

And as far as kicks to the knee . . . the unified rules do not allow kicks to "any" joints . . . they happen but they're not allowed. If a fighter is deliberatley targeting another fighter's knees, and the referee is experienced enough to be able to tell, then they are supposed to receive a warning on the first occurence, a 1-point deduction on the second occurence, and they are disqualified if called a third time. The problem with it is that its difficult to tell if a fighter is targeting the other fighter's knees or his thigh. Its just not that easy so alot of guys get away with it.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by DJColdfusion

Sorry, didn't read every post . . . seemed to be rehashing the same points repeatedly; however, in defense of wristlocks . . . Renaldo "Jacare" Desousa broke a guys arm with a wrist locks at the BJJ World Championships (I think it was 2004). And the late Carlson Gracie Sr. taugh the "Cow's Hoof" submission which is essentially a wristlock out of side control. So they're there.

We were talking about standing wrist locks that force your opponent to the ground or mat. Not subs on the ground

And as far as kicks to the knee . . . the unified rules do not allow kicks to "any" joints . . . they happen but they're not allowed. If a fighter is deliberatley targeting another fighter's knees, and the referee is experienced enough to be able to tell, then they are supposed to receive a warning on the first occurence, a 1-point deduction on the second occurence, and they are disqualified if called a third time. The problem with it is that its difficult to tell if a fighter is targeting the other fighter's knees or his thigh. Its just not that easy so alot of guys get away with it

Where did you find this? UFC and other mma orginizations dont have this rule........

[DJColdfusion]

Actually, yes the UFC does and so do any other organizations that fight under the Unified Rules including most predominantly NewJersey, Nevada, and California.

I am liscensed by Utah's Pete Suazo Utah Athletic Commission as a judge for professional MMA, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and professional Boxing. I have received my training from Jat Nadie, Duane Ford, and even "Big" John McCarthy. Additionally, I have written training documentation that has been used to train other fight officials. I have also judged over 350 fights so yes, I have done the research on this one.

The "kick to the joints" rule was largely instituted as a political move just as the "no nerve strikes" rule was. The "no nerve strike" rule kind of cracks me up because what the hell do they think a kick to the head is doing?

And Jacare did hit that wrist lock from standing.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Oh damn, you totally just owned me, lmao......

[DJColdfusion]

Sorry didn't mean to "own" anyone. I've just been in the middle of the "rules" side of the sport for quite a while.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

Penance, when you say "wristlocks", are talking about grabbing and controlling your opponent's wrist or doing some Aikido corriagraphed magical wrist-throw?

This is the Aikido wrist throw im talking about...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGgU...0wrist%20throw

Wrist locks can be VERY VERY different.... they can be practical and effective... though I can't do em lol, but I'm thinking of training them a bit.

[gregimotis]

Oh damn, you totally just owned me, lmao......

Dayamnn Numbers, You got E-SILVERBACK'ed right there.

[kuk sool won]

depends on the complexity of the technique, a simple wrist lock on the inside can be done in a tenth of a second, pressure can be applied and before the opponent knows it it is a completed wrist lock, now the wrist lock doesn't always put the opponent into submission status but it does give you a whole big advantage, i can and have put giant people on the matt with a simple wrist lock. Does MMA gloves actually allow enough flexibility in the wrist to perform a decent wrist lock anyway?