Knee kicks and wrist locks

[J-Luck]

Are either of these allowed in MMA? Can you wrist lock someone to the ground? Can you kick them straight in the knee? I've been talking to my father's sensai(kenpo) and he says that a straight kick to the knee would end a fight right away... I've really had no exposure to this subject so I am looking forward to feedback. Thanks.

[Thai Bri]

Stomping kicks to the knee are not allowed. They are difficult to pull off (the timing has to be just right, hitting a straight leg as it is bearing weight) but, if it does work, the other guy gets a broken leg.

The wrist locks? Yes! They are allowed. But they never get used because........ wait for it.......... They don't work against a resisiting opponent 99% of the time.

[J-Luck]

Thanks man. So it is allowed to say... side thrust kick a standing opponent in the knee?

[Thai Bri]

No. Renaming the stomping kick doesn't make it legal.......

Mind you, try another name. Let's see how that goes?

[aseepish]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Can you wrist lock someone to the ground?

I'd like to see someone try!

Wrist locks are allowed, but both the UFC and Pride ban "small joint manipulations" the Pride website defends those as locks with control of less than three fingers/toes.

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2004/about/rules.htm
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by Thai Bri

No. Renaming the stomping kick doesn't make it legal.......

Mind you, try another name. Let's see how that goes?

lol I didn't play any games... if you payed attention...

I'm saying 2 guys standing, one side thrust kicks the other in the knee... is that ok? It's not like a stomp kick... not even a little, lol. So, no, I'm not renaming anything.

[Penance]

Don't underestimate wrist locks. Just trust me on that.

You don't see them in the UFC because people are always told to just dismiss them. They're told that they are ineffective and don't work. This just isn't true. They're a tool like any other tool in MMA/BJJ. When you understand them and know how and when to use them, they are amazing.

You're 99% right, they (usually) don't work on a resisting opponent. But there are alot of techniques like that. For an opponent to resist, though, they have to know it's coming. Practice them until you can do them in less than half a second. Just like any other move, you can set your opponent up for them. You can also use them to set your opponent up for another technique.

[Thai Bri]

A side kick to the knee is the same as a stomp kick to the knee.

[Thai Bri]

ps - re wrist locks. I'll settle for being right 99% of the time......

[Penance]

Originally Posted by Thai Bri

ps - re wrist locks. I'll settle for being right 99% of the time......

In a very limited situation.

Count the number of shots thrown vs the number of shots landed in a typical boxing match. Compare the number thrown and the number landed with the number of KO punches. 95% of the time a right cross doesn't knock your opponent out...therefore it must be useless because they always block it, right?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Wrist-lock throws(like in Aikido for example) MIGHT work in the street if your attacker/opponent is not expecting it and youre really skilled at it. But, a wrist lock throw will never work in a wrestling, grappling, mma match, period......because it never has......in a Aikido doyo it will, against its own practicioners.

[gregimotis]

Originally Posted by Penance

In a very limited situation.

Count the number of shots thrown vs the number of shots landed in a typical boxing match. Compare the number thrown and the number landed with the number of KO punches. 95% of the time a right cross doesn't knock your opponent out...therefore it must be useless because they always block it, right?

I would get a lot more knockouts in my fights if my opponents would try andplay 'wrist grabby' more often.

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

Wrist-lock throws(like in Aikido for example) MIGHT work in the street if your attacker/opponent is not expecting it and youre really skilled at it. But, a wrist lock throw will never work in a wrestling, grappling, mma match, period......because it never has......in a Aikido doyo it will, against its own practicioners.

Lol your post is hypocritical...

you say wrist locks could work if the opponent is not expecting it, but the really only work in an Aikido Dojo where they practice (and are therefore expecting it).

Explain to me how that makes sense?

Also, in your signature, Rich Franklin has a passion for "cOmbat"

Not CumBat, I think pornstars have a bigger passion for CumBat than rich franklin.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

you say wrist locks could work if the opponent is not expecting it, but the really only work in an Aikido Dojo where they practice (and are therefore expecting it).
Explain to me how that makes sense?

The Aikido practioners are simply cooperating. Put a wrestler, judoka, samboist, or a bjj player in an Aikido dohyo and theyre not going to be 'flipping' and falling to the mat like all the other Aikido people.

Also, in your signature, Rich Franklin has a passion for "cOmbat"

Not CumBat, I think pornstars have a bigger passion for CumBat than rich franklin.

LMAO, watch the interview with Bill O'reilly and in the middle of the video, Rich definetly says, "Cumbat".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V66P-CWsQ0&search=ufc

[gregimotis]

The Aikido practioners are simply cooperating. Put a wrestler, judoka, samboist, or a bjj player in an Aikido dohyo and theyre not going to be 'flipping' and falling to the mat like all the other Aikido people.

Exactly so. Not only are they not going to flip around once you grab the wrist, they also aren't going to leave thier hand hanging out there while you try to grab it. The moment the you reach for the wrist, it'll be moved (possibly into your nose, right behind the knuckles)



I suppose it could work if you set it up well by way of another technique but; if you can get hold of the wrist well enough start a lock, then you can just as easily get hold of the body and work a throw. Which leads you to a stronger position from which you can work wrist locks or anything else without worrying whether your opponent escapes that particular finish.

The idea is to not put all your eggs into one basket... err, finish (standing wrist lock), because if it fails you've got nothing. Better to work for better control of your opponent first, then play for a submission.