Wrestler Advantages Over BJJ?

[jubaji]

Plus, wrestlers are much cooler!

[Motion]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

BJJ is almost useless if the fight does not go to the ground.

That's an interesting comment/observation.

This is what has caused so many BJJ stylist to cross-train in stand-up fighting. Once it got to the point where other stylist were able to defend against BJJ takedowns BJJ stylist knew they needed to become better strikers.

[grappler-jordan]

Looks like most of the experienced grapplers on here seem to be saying alot of the same thing... train both!

Great post 7r14ngL3...

[bigred389]

This reminds me of the age old judo vs BJJ debate.

Different tools for different occasions.

[OmaPlata]

...but BJJ guys dont have to wear those funny ear cover thingys or those strong man in the circus ball huggin tights, isnt that an advantage ? least to the ego? lmao

[EmptyneSs]

one advantage that jiu jitsu has over wrestling is that jiu jitsu requires less energy inmop. i notice that when wrestlers come to jiu jitsu they tend to expend way more energy than they need to because they are used to using explosiveness and strengh while jiu jitsu can be very passive and energy efficient in comparison. the grips on the gi can neutralize alot of strength and explosive type moves so wrestlers who are new can end up wasting alot of energy that jiu jitsu guys can capitalize on. but once wrestlers chill out and start learning techniques and how to be "gentler" they end up excelling in the art and dominating in competition because of their standup skills.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

...but BJJ guys dont have to wear those funny ear cover thingys or those strong man in the circus ball huggin tights, isnt that an advantage ? least to the ego? lmao

Youre right Oma. I friggin hate the headgear i have to wear, and the singlet doesnt help either. Your headgear shifts around and bothers the **** out of you when youre trying to compete. The singlet scrunches up your dick and balls....Its completely degrading. I wanna wrestle in basketball shorts and a white tee, no headgear!

But in non-highschool/collegiate matches, like amatuer free/greco or Olympic matches there's no headgear. You have no idea how those funny ear thingys mess up you up. But it takes discipline to work through it.

The shoes kick ass though.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I like the effect you get when the headgear makes all the sounds echo, almost makes you feel like a schizo.

[DJColdfusion]

I know a ton of BJJ and sub guys who wear the head gear because they don't want cauliflower ear.

Originally Posted by Motion

What advantages have you observed that wrestlers have had in comparison to BJJ stylist?

Before wrestlers became skilled with submissions,we all knew that the BJJ stylist had the advantages of submissions skills over wrestlers. But are their areas where you've seen wrestling skills to be more useful even today?

When I say wrestling I'am referring to the various styles in general.

Its been said a couple of times but in general conditioning and explosiveness are more of a part of the average wrestlers repetoire than the average BJJ guys; however, there are more similarities than differences. Many of the differences arise due to competitive rules (like having to wear a singlet VS a GI) and not on the actual athletic requirements. Both need low level(as in on the ground) balance and agility.

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

In a pure grappling match the BJJ guy would rip the wrestler apart.

As always, in these style VS style discussions, it comes down to the athletes involved not the sports/disciplines they follow. We have a couple of world class wrestlers that either train out of our gym or show up for the Saturday open mat and I would put them up against the majority of the BJJ guys on the planet. One of them, Brandon Ruiz, has been training for the last few years in Greco at the US Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, CO. and he's moving back here to Utah to start the wrestling program at the gym here. The other is Dave Anderton . . . most of you probably don't know who Dave is but you should know one of his more famous opponents . .. Brock Lesnar. Brock was pinned by only one person during his collegiate career . . . and that "one person" was Dave Anderton. Both guys are absolute beasts, damn near cromagnum like gorilla creatures. And I don't care what color your BJJ belt is, these guys will make you work and in the VAST majority of cases they might not pull off a pretty looking armbar but they will rip your arm out of your shoulder and hand it back to you, after the match, with the humble attitude that is indicative of top-level athletes in almost every sport.

Brandon has won the PAncrase Submission Wrestling Championships two times in a row and he was the ADCC North American Qualifier Heavyweight division runner-up last year (without ever having the time to train for it). They are both world-class wrestlers and even if you name the rules they'll still beat the sh*t out of most BJJ guys . . . and by the way, I'm a BJJ guy.

We hosted Rigan MAchado for a seminar about 3 months ago and the one thing he said that has really stuck in my head went something like "Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Sambo, sub-grappling, wrestling . . . what does it matter? Its all grappling, its all good, it will all improve your game . . . and why wouldn't you want to improve your game?" In other words, train in everything you can.

Originally Posted by jubaji

Plus, wrestlers are much cooler!

Great athletes are almost always cool. I've sat in Betos (a local 24-hour mexican place) eating Carne Asada at 2am with world champions just bullsh*tting about their favorite video games, and inconsequential crap that guys tend to blabber about, and I've had local nobodies who think they're hot sh*t because they fight in the local MMA show (which is televised) brush me off like I have no business even being in the room with them. Assholes are assholes, wrestling won't improve their personalities and neither will BJJ. But in general, great athletes are the "big dogs" and they don't feel the need to make alot of noise.

[danfaggella]

Very hard to generalize! Both have combat validity and I would recomend trying both out, completely different mentalities and techniques. I find myself using wrestling in my BJJ, and even using BJJ in my wrestling at times.

[kuk sool won]

i wonder which style would be better suited to a person with one arm

[m_calingo]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

i wonder which style would be better suited to a person with one arm

No doubt, that woud be "gun fu."

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

i wonder which style would be better suited to a person with one arm

theres a guy that is a brown belt down at fabio santos' BBJ gym in san diego, he lost his arm not too long ago via some flesh eating bacteria. he was in grappler magazine not too long ago. My friend trains with the 1 armed dude and said hes seen him tap out purple belts. 1 armed BBJ would destroy a 1 armed wrestler. just like a 2 armed would, all things being equal
At the last tournament, the one armed guy won his division and when they presented his trophy to him, the guy handing it to him, said wait a sec, and broke one of the arms off the trophy, and then handed it him, lol
j/k

[Penance]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

theres a guy that is a brown belt down at fabio santos' BBJ gym in san diego, he lost his arm not too long ago via some flesh eating bacteria. he was in grappler magazine not too long ago. My friend trains with the 1 armed dude and said hes seen him tap out purple belts. 1 armed BBJ would destroy a 1 armed wrestler. just like a 2 armed would, all things being equal
At the last tournament, the one armed guy won his division and when they presented his trophy to him, the guy handing it to him, said wait a sec, and broke one of the arms off the trophy, and then handed it him, lol
j/k

Congratulations.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by Penance

Congratulations.

the stories true except for the trophy, so its not a trainwreck. now, go put on your funny ear thingys and your strong man in the circus tights and try to push some guys shoulders to the ground for 3 seconds, now thats real training there lol