From Royce's own mouth

Garland · 08-17-2006, 01:14 AM

LISTEN!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=58xSBkuNxOs
Well said!
it's not a style game anymore...you have to be well rounded!

Oreomeister365 · 08-17-2006, 09:58 AM

This my house!!!

Paco · 08-17-2006, 05:30 PM

After the heady of the first UFC's (remember "Bloodsport"?) it's all become SO formulaic:

1) Nobody trains to lose, so everybody trains a wrestling-submission-muay thai-boxing mix;

2) Guard is useless against the fence. Just drag them there and start the ground and pound;

3) The irony is that it's gonna be up to the standup fighters to bring back some flash to the UFC, that is, something different from the taekdown + ground & pound formula.

OmaPlata · 08-17-2006, 07:27 PM

[quote=Paco;232764]After the heady of the first UFC's (remember "Bloodsport"?) it's all become SO formulaic:

1) Nobody trains to lose, so everybody trains a wrestling-submission-muay thai-boxing mix;

2) Guard is useless against the fence. Just drag them there and start the ground and pound;

3) The irony is that it's gonna be up to the standup fighters to bring back some flash to the UFC, that is, something different from the taekdown + ground & pound formula.[/QUOTE]

i agree mostly with #2 except u missed dean listers last fight.
#3 i agree, the fence which was once just a ring like thing, is now a weapon for ground and pounders that lack submission skills, may as well hold someone down and pound them then learn to submit them, especially since the rounds are ONLY 5 MINUTES, ridiculous. Personally Id like to see 2 great fighters with no time limits, like it used to be

grappler-jordan · 08-17-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Personally Id like to see 2 great fighters with no time limits, like it used to be

Only in our dreams man, the UFC would never allow it, neither would Pride...

Mephariel · 08-17-2006, 10:10 PM

Funny how people say that Royce Gracie was trained in Muay Thai before fighting Matt Hughes. Anyone that watched the fight saw that Gracie was a disgrace to Muay Thai or any other striking art. He didn't even kick like a MT fighter and his kicks have no power.

NuffSpeed · 08-18-2006, 12:28 AM

thats because he "trained" in Muay Thai, and isn't a Muay Thai "fighter". I clearly seen in the pre fight videos before the fight ever happened that he was training some Muay Thai. Almost his whole pre fight video was showcasing his standup Muay Thai type training if I remember correctly.

Mephariel · 08-18-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NuffSpeed

thats because he "trained" in Muay Thai, and isn't a Muay Thai "fighter". I clearly seen in the pre fight videos before the fight ever happened that he was training some Muay Thai. Almost his whole pre fight video was showcasing his standup Muay Thai type training if I remember correctly.

No, I am not saying people were wrong. I know he was trained in Muay Thai before the fight for real. But I am just saying he didn't resemble any Muay Thai fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

OmaPlata · 08-18-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mephariel

No, I am not saying people were wrong. I know he was trained in Muay Thai before the fight for real. But I am just saying he didn't resemble any Muay Thai fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

nor was he trying to, but then again, he didnt look like a BJJ fighter either, he looked like a white belt in his first match being in with the champion

08-17-2006, 01:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
Garland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 4,980 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	From Royce's own mouth LISTEN! http://youtube.com/watch?v=58xSBkuNxOs Well said! it's not a style game anymore...you have to be well rounded! __________________ homo homini lupus

08-18-2006, 12:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
NuffSpeed Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Babylon Posts: 110 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thats because he "trained" in Muay Thai, and isn't a Muay Thai "fighter". I clearly seen in the pre fight videos before the fight ever happened that he was training some Muay Thai. Almost his whole pre fight video was showcasing his standup Muay Thai type training if I remember correctly. __________________ It only takes a single grain of sand to change the world.

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Oreomeister365 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PA Posts: 189 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This my house!!!

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Paco Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 169 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	After the heady of the first UFC's (remember "Bloodsport"?) it's all become SO formulaic: 1) Nobody trains to lose, so everybody trains a wrestling-submission-muay thai-boxing mix; 2) Guard is useless against the fence. Just drag them there and start the ground and pound; 3) The irony is that it's gonna be up to the standup fighters to bring back some flash to the UFC, that is, something different from the taekdown + ground & pound formula.

08-17-2006, 07:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
OmaPlata Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 1,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote=Paco;232764]After the heady of the first UFC's (remember "Bloodsport"?) it's all become SO formulaic: 1) Nobody trains to lose, so everybody trains a wrestling-submission-muay thai-boxing mix; 2) Guard is useless against the fence. Just drag them there and start the ground and pound; 3) The irony is that it's gonna be up to the standup fighters to bring back some flash to the UFC, that is, something different from the taekdown + ground & pound formula.[/QUOTE] i agree mostly with #2 except u missed dean listers last fight. #3 i agree, the fence which was once just a ring like thing, is now a weapon for ground and pounders that lack submission skills, may as well hold someone down and pound them then learn to submit them, especially since the rounds are ONLY 5 MINUTES, ridiculous. Personally Id like to see 2 great fighters with no time limits, like it used to be

08-17-2006, 10:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mephariel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 240 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Funny how people say that Royce Gracie was trained in Muay Thai before fighting Matt Hughes. Anyone that watched the fight saw that Gracie was a disgrace to Muay Thai or any other striking art. He didn't even kick like a MT fighter and his kicks have no power.

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