does anyone compete in amateur mma?

[amangin1]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

See, this is where you show your idiocy to everyone that reads this nonsense. Who said being a black belt meant everything? Youre so dumb you couldnt see the most simple thing spelled out in front of you. Here, since youre dumb, Ill spell it out. When they say someone is a expert or a brazilian jiu jitsu fighter, why dont they tell us what color belt they hold? See, is that hard for your diminished capacity to grasp? And yes, a black belt is far advanced over a purple, both of which are far advanced over you in BJJ, kinda like a kindergarden student is far smarter than you, same thing. Now if you hurry up and post another retort, your bitch jubaji can finish "rubbing one out" that he started with your last post. Quick, he needs to cum, hurry, oh, post a pic of your dad, that will help him along

Well let me say from personal experience that belts don't mean anything. Technically I am still a white belt. And yet when I took BJJ lessons (gi) I tapped three blue belts in my first month. Then after two or so months I rolled for about six minutes with my third degree black belt instructor before locking him in a submission. Due to inexperience I let it go because I wasn't sure if he would have tapped and I didn't want to drain my energy and he escaped and tapped me. We never rolled after that. And he's no push over. I won't mention his name but if you googled it you would get a lot of hits. After that I have worked no-gi only for MMA. The point is that belts don't really matter.

[amangin1]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone I just wanted to throw my two cents into the conversation.

[howulikemenow]

i think the belts mean more if you don't mix in the striking and everything else.

[WuChi]

Man you guys get a bit frustrating to listen to dudes, why do you call people names who you dont even know, whats the point?

The guy who made a comment about, what you know and do in bjj shows your level. This is true and makes perfect sense, belts dont realy matter its who gives you them. I have a Bjj class down the road from me, which has students from my local area. The blackbelt that jim down the road gives, doesnt mean as much a say Carlos Gracie(rip) now does it. I had my blackbelt when I was young, but looking back I was rubbish. Ive trained or 7 years since then, in various systems and have became far better. The journey to get the belt is more important than the belt, where I train the blackbelt is just he begining. I train lots of bb in vale tudo, and mma, and using their ideas to help me also. Belts are something the west needed to create in order to "rationalize" or compartmentise everything. Traditionaly, the white belt would become dirty over the years, eventualy becoming black. There wer no other belt colours. In china, sifu would sometimes have a gold sash.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by WuChi

Belts are something the west needed to create in order to "rationalize" or compartmentise everything.

Ah, so the 'West' 'created' the belt system?

[WuChi]

Originally Posted by amangin1

Well let me say from personal experience that belts don't mean anything. Technically I am still a white belt. And yet when I took BJJ lessons (gi) I tapped three blue belts in my first month. Then after two or so months I rolled for about six minutes with my third degree black belt instructor before locking him in a submission. Due to inexperience I let it go because I wasn't sure if he would have tapped and I didn't want to drain my energy and he escaped and tapped me. We never rolled after that. And he's no push over. I won't mention his name but if you googled it you would get a lot of hits. After that I have worked no-gi only for MMA. The point is that belts don't really matter.

Thats my teachings exactly. I and my students train to fight, to see what works and never exlude anything from possible use. We will not put names to things that do not exist(techniques). Fighting can only be learned from fighting, and belt dont give you that. Some people believe that martial arts is more than fighting or concern themselves with more than fighting, I believe this to be true but fighting is a major component. I think a martial artist can never be complete unless he can deal with conflict. I dont just mean throw some techs and beat the man, it means dealing with the emotions of a sittuation. Ive seen so called experts beaten by a aggressive loose canon. He is not a martial artist but live a warrior life. he lives with the risk, and deals with the concequences.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by amangin1

Well let me say from personal experience that belts don't mean anything. Technically I am still a white belt. And yet when I took BJJ lessons (gi) I tapped three blue belts in my first month. Then after two or so months I rolled for about six minutes with my third degree black belt instructor before locking him in a submission. Due to inexperience I let it go because I wasn't sure if he would have tapped and I didn't want to drain my energy and he escaped and tapped me. We never rolled after that. And he's no push over. I won't mention his name but if you googled it you would get a lot of hits. After that I have worked no-gi only for MMA. The point is that belts don't really matter.

This is a crock of bullshit if the ever was one, lol, you tapped the instructor and several blue belts, ookkkkkkk, and who is the instructor???lmao . And yes, the belts matter, and no, you cant tap a black belt, not once in a 1000 times if youre a white belt. PERIOD.

[WuChi]

You might not win in a bjj tournament against a BJJ Blackbelt, Iv submited a fighter who was a blackbelt in bjj, from the gracie camp. A blackbelt and the average local gym is like a whitebelt from the gracie camp. Its where it comes from that makes the belt meaning full. You dont need to be a bjj, to tumble and submit. You dont need to be a boxer to fight, it just the way it is.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by WuChi

You might not win in a bjj tournament against a BJJ Blackbelt, Iv submited a fighter who was a blackbelt in bjj,WHO??? from the gracie camp. A blackbelt and the average local gym is like a whitebelt from the gracie camp. thats for sure .Its where it comes from that makes the belt meaning full. You dont need to be a bjj, to tumble and submit. You dont need to be a boxer to fight, it just the way it is.

also,
The guy did say he basically tapped a black belt when he was a white belt, while it has happened, usually with a choke of some sort with the GI getting tangled, the odds are 1-1000 at best of it happening, at best.

[UBeatdownMMA]

I joined this discussion with one purpose; to debunk Homoplata's view of belting. I belted in TKD many years ago and have friends that have belted in BJJ. We have trained together for years. We have added Muay T, Judo & MMA to our arsenal. We have competed in competitions and either knocked out or submitted every opponent. None of us have belted since the beginning. We have beaten many belted opponents. Statements such as yours belittle the sport and cheapen the arts. It truly is the level at which a person performs that measures their success. It is definitley not their clothing!