Kimura from guard.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I was rolling with my buddy today, I had hiim in my guard and I kimura'd him. I was cranking it and he tried to roll forward to release the pressure. Instead of using a butterfly hook to help kick him over, I trapped one of his legs as he tried to roll so his knees were in his face, all at the same time I kept cranking the kiimura for the submission. Would I have been better off kicking him over and ending up in sidemount to finish that kimura or was I fine doing what I did?

[Garland]

I was rolling with my buddy today, I had hiim in my guard and I kimura'd him. I was cranking it and he tried to roll forward to release the pressure. Instead of using a butterfly hook to help kick him over, I trapped one of his legs as he tried to roll so his knees were in his face, all at the same time I kept cranking the kiimura for the submission. Would I have been better off kicking him over and ending up in sidemount to finish that kimura or was I fine doing what I did?

I don't know too much about grappling, but I'd say if it worked...then it worked.

[OmaPlata]

I was rolling with my buddy today, I had hiim in my guard and I kimura'd him. I was cranking it and he tried to roll forward to release the pressure. Instead of using a butterfly hook to help kick him over, I trapped one of his legs as he tried to roll so his knees were in his face, all at the same time I kept cranking the kiimura for the submission. Would I have been better off kicking him over and ending up in sidemount to finish that kimura or was I fine doing what I did?

When you get the kimura, lets say you have his left arm, you have to put your right calf/leg over his back and apply pressure down onto his back, this prevents him from rolling forward to escape. If he does roll you have to switch it to an armbar, again, if he knows what you are going to switch to when he rolls, he will defend that, so you knowing that he is going to defend that armbar after he rolls, you have to attack what he is going to defend with/or set up another move from that position..........and on and on the chess game goes.

But to finish your question, I think if you pulled his arm is so its bent at a 45 degree angle and not straight, he has to tap or snap. So u were fine, sweeping him over is dangerous in that he can get space to escape.

[OmaPlata]

I don't know too much about grappling, but I'd say if it worked...then it worked.

the understatement of the day

[Garland]

the understatement of the day

don't I get points for honesty?

[sapatiero]

I agree with Omoplata - the 'heavy leg' over the back is the way to maintain control with a kimura. But I'd add that you should wrap your ankles so it looks like a 'sideways closed guard' - then he can't roll, or pass over the bottom leg etc.

[grappler-jordan]

Sound advice from Oma and Sap, on 1 other finer point of the Kimura, if you were cranking it pretty good and he still wasn't tapping make sure you keep the arm in the proper L position (90 degree angle formed strait out from the body) and that you are pulling the wrist strait up from that angle and not inward towards his body (a common white belt mistake that actually relieves some of the pressure of the hold).

[OmaPlata]

Sound advice from Oma and Sap, on 1 other finer point of the Kimura, if you were cranking it pretty good and he still wasn't tapping make sure you keep the arm in the proper L position (90 degree angle formed strait out from the body) and that you are pulling the wrist strait up from that angle and not inward towards his body (a common white belt mistake that actually relieves some of the pressure of the hold).

yeah 90., i said 45 which isnt enough, but i meant a L. since the counter is to straighten it, ALA what Royce did when Hughes got his, the common thing would be to get it in a L and crank. Theres this young kid in class I get in that move often and he will not tap no matter what, I keep cranking it and cranking it and his arm is bending further and further and further and hes doing nothing to escape. SO I know its going to break for sure at some point and just let him go and switch to something else. HE says it doest hurt enough to tap, but that move it might just snap or rip the shoulder before it hurts

[sapatiero]

Some people just have freakingly flexible joints. A girl in my class asked why her americana/keylock wasn't working on her partner. I went over to work through it with her & it was perfect. Her partner just had an incredibly flexible shoulder joint. Very useful for fighting Sakuraba I guess...

[OmaPlata]

[QUOTE=sapatiero;232980]Some people just have freakingly flexible joints. A girl in my class asked why her americana/keylock wasn't working on her partner. I went over to work through it with her & it was perfect. Her partner just had an incredibly flexible shoulder joint. Very useful for fighting Sakuraba I guess... [/QUOTE]


Woulda been for Renzo who got his arm snapped, but hey, he didnt tap either

[gaittec]

The suggestion by sapatiero is the best way to maintain control and prevent him from rolling. When you cross the ankles, make sure you put your top ankle in front of your bottom ankle. This will prevent him from reaching back with his free arm and peeling your legs apart.

To tap guys with real flexible shoulders, stretch their bent arm and shoulder joint toward you instead of trying to push their arm up close to their back. But, be careful as this will really be felt sooner. Another trick is to turn your kimura into a straight armbar and lock them at the elbow.