flattening while on back

[keepitsimple]

anyone have any good methods of flattening someone out so they cant move and ur on top of them. The one way i know is to strech ur legs out but the last time i tried it the guy just turtled back and i didnt have my hooks anymore. Im pretty light since im only 5'7 so would that matter at all?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by keepitsimple

anyone have any good methods of flattening someone out so they cant move and ur on top of them. The one way i know is to strech ur legs out but the last time i tried it the guy just turtled back and i didnt have my hooks anymore. Im pretty light since im only 5'7 so would that matter at all?

I really have no idea what your talking about but i have an idea... If you already have both legs thrown in, you arch your back and dig your hips into their lower back. Youll also need to be controlling their wrists. Once theyre broken down, keep your chest close to their back, control them from under their arms and if they still try to curl up you can roll to your side(on your hip) and continue to pressure your hip and legs against their will. Their stomach and chest should touching the mat when you roll em back onto their stomach, and if theyre trying to post their hands to 'get up' or reach for your feet, theyll be wide open for the choke. If theyre trying to block the choke you can just keep pressuring into them really hard and youll be able to hit them, but dont.

If someone is just completely balling up and tucking everything in, just lock your hands around their waist and roll them to the side or diagonally. From there, they should be on their hip in which you can throw in one hook roll them again and throw in the other.

And if your 5'7 and atleast 130 you can put in a lot pressure with your hips.

[OmaPlata]

yeah and keep the grapevines in tight while arching ur back

[SweepEm]

If you're too high on a guy's back, you won't be able to flatten them out and your legs and feet positioning are important too.
If you have long enough legs and your opponent is not wide or fat, you can figure 4 oh the guy's waist if he's on his hands and knees

Instead of trying to flatten someone when you have their back, look for a submission instead of a dominant position.
Look for the choke or armbar.

[JkD187]

All 3 points made are Excellent go with those.

[keepitsimple]

hey sweep em if i were to figure 4 my legs then how could i flatten out since i have nothing to extend?

[keepitsimple]

Also i am really light like 115-120 so if i dont get the best possible position to have a really high percentage of submission i wont try it. For instance i hate it when people make the mistake of trying to go for a americana/keylock or kimura from sidecontrol instead of mounting. And then from mount u can turn him over then flatten them out so u have the most dominant position in the game. From there ur opponent cant sweep you, stand up, or anything.

[daringdex]

Hi.. Dont really have to flatten out yur opponent.. Sweep em is correct... try to figure four your legs because that is also one position where he cant escape.. even if he rolls leftways or rightways you will still be on his back... you can easily catch with him with a choke or try using the face lock but be careful not to break the nose bridge of your opponent... It worked on me so i suggest you try it....

but if you really insist on flattening your opponent then follow the advised from the first replies here and it will work out... Remember that you must have a back-up plan just in case plan a will not work...

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by keepitsimple

Also i am really light like 115-120 so if i dont get the best possible position to have a really high percentage of submission i wont try it. For instance i hate it when people make the mistake of trying to go for a americana/keylock or kimura from sidecontrol instead of mounting. And then from mount u can turn him over then flatten them out so u have the most dominant position in the game. From there ur opponent cant sweep you, stand up, or anything.

No offense but you are completely wrong...your the one making the mistake...taking someones back is indeed dominant but you should NEVER pass up the oppertunity to get a submission from ANY top position...trying just to get the back or the mount is retarted.....there are actually many many many more things to do from side control and its harder to actually get bucked off.I can tell your a novice so my advice to you is to learn the basics first and stop worrying about flattening out your opponent on the back mount....also if you have the figure 4 bodylock pressing your hips into him will not only flatten him out but sometimes depending on how much pressure you give can be a submission victory...See Salavery vs Fryklund.

[daringdex]

Try to utilize his mistakes... from that mistake, you must make the most out of it.. Most of the time, I always catch my sparmates from the mistake they give me... Never concentrate on one position or move. dont concentrate on the back postion try to master the full mount or the sidemount and even the north south position...

there is a saying that I find very nice:
I fear not a man who knows 10,000 techniques but I will fear a man who practices a technique 10,000 times..

[blitz]

[QUOTE=daringdex;235143]Try to utilize his mistakes... from that mistake, you must make the most out of it.. Most of the time, I always catch my sparmates from the mistake they give me... Never concentrate on one position or move. dont concentrate on the back postion try to master the full mount or the sidemount and even the north south position.../QUOTE]

Everyone has his own game, if someone likes to master the guard, then he will do it. And why not master the back? You can see everything he's trying to do and you have a couple of submissions you can easily do, and it gives you 4 points in competition .

[keepitsimple]

I find the guard very difficult to master, probably because im alot better passing the guard then sweeping from the guard or submitting. Thats why i like to be on the top whenever possible

[KiotoQuinn]

I say, never pass up a submission from a dominant position to gain another position, unless you have plans to submit from that position. I hate nothing worse than a heavier guy getting me in side control and just sitting there the whole rolling session. He thinks he won, but in essence he just let his weight do the work. BJJ is about submissions. Yes, tournament rules permit wins without them, and award points for rear mount and full mount and passing the guard, but you get respect with submissions. In that position you can work so many chokes, not just a rear naked. There are a lot of gi chokes and being in that position before, as your opponent, you go into a defensive mode of thinking. Guarding your neck. Sometimes this leaves your arms too far extended. Im not sure about all the techniques explained but I just wanted to put it out there that position is important, but Ive seen people tap from the mount. Ive seen those with rear control tap from a figure four ankle lock. There are so many variations in BJJ. There are almost no limits. Dont be afraid to try submissions. Im 148lbs, and I face guy at least 30-60lbs heavier every training day. It will, make you stronger.

[grappler-jordan]

Even if the guy curls up and you have the back you don't have to flatten him out to win the fight... don't fight for something if it's not there, if you can't get your hooks in then look to see whether you can take the arm for a "russian armbar/finish", there are also several ways to pull him or "launch" him into your hooks as you fall back, grab under the armpits, then slam your heels into the mat next to his hips while pulling with your arms and just fall back, as he falls into your legs, set your hooks and keep em tight, or go for the body triangle which is IMO better....