Knee on belly position

[danfaggella]

I like to get here as soon as I pass the gaurd. It allows a person to use mobility to hold an opponent down and not just weight. What do you guys prefer to do with your arms when you're in this position and what kind of attacks or transitions do you go for?

Thanks for some perspective.

[blitz]

I hate it in No Gi but if i'm doing it with a Gi, You have a couple of chokes you can do, you can keep changing sides or change knees turn around for the triangle or the mount. I also like arm barring the opposite arm if he tries to move me etc.. one of my favorites is, when he tries to push the knee while not giving away his arm, I jerk his arm towards me and wrap my leg around his neck giving me a triangle

[OmaPlata]

well thats the question, gi or no gi, with the gi its unlimited to the number of attacks, no gi is much less options but armbars are the norm

[blitz]

Yeah but escaping is much easier with no gi, you don't have any tight grips to keep him close, if a guy has a good shrimp/waist he can get out and take open guard or half guard quite easily, though that happens to me more than the advanced students obviously, I'd still rather use it with a Gi.

[danfaggella]

I'm talking about no gi.

Blitz, explain this triangle a bit better, I'd like ot work in more triangles and not toally work jujigatame from this position, I'd apreciate it.

[shamster]

I personally like to go for the baseball grip collar choke when in the knee on belly position. Another option is an armbar attack on the opposite side arm.

And of course, it's a great way to move to the full mount.

[grappler-jordan]

For No-Gi Knee-on-Belly leaves alot of space and when you are slippery and quick it's easy to escape. I use it on occasion when I want to attack the opposite side arm with the arm bar or I will pop up before I transition through 50/50 to opposite side-mount. In NHB/Vale Tudo you can obviously strike from KOB but you can do so more effectively from mount or drop elbows from side-mount. Typically for me, KOB is used as a setup for a switch to opposite side or attacking the arm (on either side)....

[KiotoQuinn]

When you do knee on belly do you put your weight down on your opponent or what? Ive done this move only once or twice and didnt really know how. I am still many lessons away from this technique in my school.

[blitz]

dan, lets say you have sidemount and your right knee is close to his waist, ie: on his right side. Put your right knee on his belly and take the arm close to you, if he starts pushing with the far arm and shrimping just jerk his arm towards you and stick your leg inside and you have a triangle, just need to maintain position and get your leg around his neck fully.

The other one is where you have your knee on the belly he pushes with both hands so you switch your knees, ie: you had your right knee on the stomach now you switch and have your left knee on his chest, then you just turn your whole body clockwise while leaving your knee on his chest and you can either land in mount or you can have a triangle, this has to be done fast and it probably won't work on advanced level, but it can be a good surprise move sometimes.

[sapatiero]

Originally Posted by KiotoQuinn

When you do knee on belly do you put your weight down on your opponent or what? Ive done this move only once or twice and didnt really know how. I am still many lessons away from this technique in my school.

Yep - put your weight on him. To help this along, on the leg where you have your knee on him, don't rest your foot on the ground. If he's wearing a gi, you can also pull up on his lapel at the same time to make it really uncomfortable for him. In terms of knee placement, you can always try planting it on his solar plexus also.

[KiotoQuinn]

Wow, lol. That sounds really painful. Im guessing their natural instinct is to either push the knee off of them or to rotate and escape away, am I right? Once attained, do you then progress into full mount or work from that position? It seems like it is a difficult position to attain and to me, it looks somewhat risky to be able to stay in that position. Thanks for the help.

[3mptin3ss]

the point of knee on belly is to keep your mobility and allow you to escape fast should you need to. however, the one disadvantage in my opinion is that it leaves your groin area somewhat vulnerable. i always feel like if i had knee on stomach on someone that they might be able to grab at my groin easily even though i can hit him. anyone else feel this way?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I dont think the knee on stomach is a good position to stay in. The bottom guy can easily roll out of it and square up to you. Its a good transition to mount though. In the knee on stomach position, there's just too much space in between you and your opponent.

[gaittec]

I use Knee on Belly to soften up an opponent if I feel he is rolling too wildly or spazing on me. Put the knee in the solar plexus with as much weight as you can maintain. Wait for him to breath and then pull up on the Gi or neck with both hands. This will cause the guy to lose all his air and not be able to reexpand his lungs. Repeat as needed. Once he has been weakened in this fashion, the subs from knee on belly are quite a bit easier to lock in.

I don't do this to my regular classmates. But, it is handy to know for some situations.

My favorite subs from Knee on Belly are Kimura, wrist lock, Baseball Bat choke. Side choke with knees up, near side arm bar, far side arm bar, and the toe lock when he sticks up the far leg to try to push off.

[sapatiero]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

I dont think the knee on stomach is a good position to stay in. The bottom guy can easily roll out of it and square up to you.

I disagree. A gi player with a good k.o.b. is a nightmare to get out from under. Even switching between 4 or 5 escape techniques (while protecting the neck & opposite arm) doesn't help much if he knows the position well.

Most black belts I've rolled with will simply switch sides whilst looking for baseball bat or opposite side armbar (the one where you cup the tricep).