show no mercy?

[3mptin3ss]

should one show mercy to those of less skill for the purpouses of helping them build confidence? or is this only going to hinder their training? should i just mow over people i know i can beat easily so they dont have some a false sense of their abilities? id like to think im pretty generous when training with noobs, while others just plough str8 through them and toss em aside. what do you guys think?

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by 3mptin3ss

should one show mercy to those of less skill for the purpouses of helping them build confidence? or is this only going to hinder their training? should i just mow over people i know i can beat easily so they dont have some a false sense of their abilities? id like to think im pretty generous when training with noobs, while others just plough str8 through them and toss em aside. what do you guys think?

use your best judgement. you've trained, you know what helps and what doesn't.

there's a trend that the black belts i train with seem to follow, and i've adopted it myself for training with newer students. if your less skilled partner attempts some attack that is over all well executed, let him pull it off. let him see how it feels. if their defense or balance is bad, pick them apart! that's the trend that seems to work in our environment, but just as a guideline, always mix it up. that's why my sensei always encourages us to practice with the beginning classes, it's good for you to see how your techniques feel when you pull them off flawlessly, and it's good for the beginners to get a few of those applied to them.

this is all from a judo specific point of view but i hope it makes sense

[sapatiero]

I tend to be generous & give encouragement, then just turn it on from time to time. Its also good for your training to get into a tight spot before trying your escapes.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

You should let the lower skilled people work. Of course you should fight your way out of it slowly so they can see what parts of their technique is flawed biut you should always let them try some techniques so they learn something.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by 3mptin3ss

should one show mercy to those of less skill for the purpouses of helping them build confidence? or is this only going to hinder their training? should i just mow over people i know i can beat easily so they dont have some a false sense of their abilities? id like to think im pretty generous when training with noobs, while others just plough str8 through them and toss em aside. what do you guys think?

It depends on the mentality of the person you are working with.

If they are tough and gritty, you can give them a little heat if you think that's the best way for them to learn. If they are more detail-oriented, give them hands on explanation and real-speed demonstrations.

Most folks are in between, so a little of both now and then is ok.

[gregimotis]

It depends, but generally I try to do this:


Crush them a couple times so they know where they stand, and then let them work. I'll also give advice mid-roll if they are trying to pull something and are missing some key element.
Like was said above, it's good to work with beginners sometimes so you can see your technique work in ideal conditions.





Good idea for a thread, btw.

[OmaPlata]

the black belts i train with will tap you out fast as they can, no let off or letting you get any moves in at all. If they are helping you with something then they let yo do this or that and tell you youre doing this wrong, but rolling they will tap you out then tell you what you did wrong

[SamuraiGuy]

Personally I tap em out as fast as I can at the start. Then I'll go into working/explaining stuff.

It might just simply be rolling... letting them sit in my gaurd and giving them a feel for it, than I sweep them, than I kinda dick around in mount. The people better than me usually just crush me now, unless I ask a question, or there's one brown belt who will see me doing something, and just tell me a slightly different way to pass or someting like that. I appreciate that though.

In Judo, there was one blackbelt, who would just fucking murder you, he liked hip throws, and he could pull em off, and he would, over and over again. The other blackbelts might let you try stuff, than counter it. The head instructor though would kinda play with you, throw you whenever he felt like it.. but he'd always do it in a way... that showed you something... if that makes sense. Also if you executed a throw with proper kuzushi/technique he'd let you go through with it. Even if he could see it coming a million miles away (HE could see it coming, not just random other people), as long as you had proper technique, kuzushi, all that, he'd let you throw him.

[KiotoQuinn]

Since Im a newbie myself (6 month white belt) I try to win first. If the guy has been going for only a couple of weeks, Ill work my technique, cuz he isnt going to slow down. Once I get it done and he taps Ill say, hey you know this is a good way to defend that move. Ill say, your base was good and I like how you did this. But always rely on the teacher to teach. I nevery say, this is how you do this, Ill say, "what lesson are you on?" Knowing not what he learned Ill say try it on me, if he does well, good for him, if hes doing it all wrong ill say try this. But when rolling, especially against someone heavier than me, which most people are, I try to win the match. Sometimes I like to let them be the aggressor, going for the takedown, maybe gaining control, or putting me in a headlock. Then Ill work my technique by blocking the takedown, bridging out of mounted position and escaping a headlock. This keeps them humble and keeps them smart, and not just fast, Sometimes when they get on top, they forget about base, they forget about everything, because they dont know. Bridge them off you a few times, pass the guard and mount them and they have a different idea of what to do once they get a good position. Keep it and go for submission.