tips for kicking

[mr goodcat]

hello i was wondering what i am doing wrong if any of you know, when i side kick with my right leg and move out of the position i feel a uncomfortable strain under my buttocks , i feel it on the supporting leg, although i feel it on my left its hardly tangible, if im posting in the wrong forums then let me know

[GranFire]

Originally Posted by mr goodcat

hello i was wondering what i am doing wrong if any of you know, when i side kick with my right leg and move out of the position i feel a uncomfortable strain under my buttocks , i feel it on the supporting leg, although i feel it on my left its hardly tangible, if im posting in the wrong forums then let me know

If you don't have the foot your standing on turned into the right direction you range of motion with the kicking leg is restriceted and you could hurt yourself.

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by GranFire

If you don't have the foot your standing on turned into the right direction you range of motion with the kicking leg is restriceted and you could hurt yourself.

yes well im not a rookie i put my foot in the right position, and i know not to kick as hard in the air because the air offers no resistance and it could hurt your knee joints if you do it, but i tried to refrain from using certainwords but my left buttocks area on my supporting foot, under the left ''bun'' feels a strain when i put my kicking leg down, i usually practice martial arts every day, i alternate hands and legs to give them rest, and when i put my leg down i felt the strain, at first i thought i was distributing my weight unevenly or perhaps it was due to the couple times i lost balance and took a couple steps backward after delivering the kick. i apologise i have no pictures to show you what i was doing but as you sit here reading this take your left hand and move it towards your buttocks on the bottom left side, and press it. thats whgere i feel the annoywing strain like discomfort pain, what ever its called. my form is good, my kicking foot , heel, toes, etc are bent the correct way, i lean back when delivering it my supporting leg is kept straight , then as i sat in that position which i am able to do as long as i am limber and keep balance i try many ways to return back to the fighting stance but i still dont see what i am doing thats weird

[GranFire]

Uhm, I think no picture is needed...

You could just have pulled something...or pinched a nerve

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by GranFire

Uhm, I think no picture is needed...

You could just have pulled something...or pinched a nerve

perhaps, the picture i would show you is a picture of my kicking. you see i am not a black belt but i have a peculiar unorthadoxed stlye that allows me to go about achieving certain moves not by doing them over and over and over again til i get use to it but by meditation and observing the notions and its analysis.my supporting leg points to the .. left? i guess it matters which direction your kicking in, in any sense the supporting leg points behind me, my back that is. im sure you know what a side kick should look like but while your kick is still in the air, and you are still leaning backwards on your supporting leg, what do you do after that? bend your supporting leg then your kicking leg back where it came from? or bend the body from its leaning position back to the position where your head head is facing the sky in a 90 degree fashion? ive seen people do side kicks stationary so i dont thinking its completely necessary to perform the side kick while going to fighting stance A to B

[GranFire]

I usualy perform sidekicks from various positions.

However, since i am no spring chicken anymore, some days work better than others. I got my little owies that show up intermittenly.

To tell you the truth, it sounds to me like you pulled something. Put some ice on, rest up a few days, maybe take an Ibuprofene. Stretch well before practice. It happens. I had a mild groin pull once, it didn't show untill I had sat down for a couple of hours after practice...I have no idea what I did or when, but there it was.

Maybe you can video tape yourself if your instructor can't pinpoint what you are doing...

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by GranFire

I usualy perform sidekicks from various positions.

However, since i am no spring chicken anymore, some days work better than others. I got my little owies that show up intermittenly.

To tell you the truth, it sounds to me like you pulled something. Put some ice on, rest up a few days, maybe take an Ibuprofene. Stretch well before practice. It happens. I had a mild groin pull once, it didn't show untill I had sat down for a couple of hours after practice...I have no idea what I did or when, but there it was.

Maybe you can video tape yourself if your instructor can't pinpoint what you are doing...

ah the instructor, those were the days. i was formally trained. now i train myself. wait does the entire upper body need to be above the supporting foot to support the weight? i ask this because sometimes when i lean my chest is isnt over the eupporting leg and sometimes hangd to the side. yea but i usually was really good pinpointing my own weaknesses and limitations which made me really strong. but sometimes i cant pinpoint it. i dont feel pain at all now and sometimes when i do a right side kick i dont. i feel perhaps when i retract my leg i may be distributing the weight unevenly. so i would like to ask does it matter if the supporting leg is bent or straight as can be. i seen it done both ways but some say bent

[kuk sool won]

it still sounds like you have pulled it. If you do infact kick whilst you body is 'hanging' over the side then more than likely that is your problem. Firstly it uses a different set of muscles and the incorrect positioning of your upper body leads you to moving your upper and lower in opposing directions resulting in a strain or a pull.

[eXcessiveForce]

the pull is the hamstring attatchment point under the glute, you need to stretch better.

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by kuk sool won

it still sounds like you have pulled it. If you do infact kick whilst you body is 'hanging' over the side then more than likely that is your problem. Firstly it uses a different set of muscles and the incorrect positioning of your upper body leads you to moving your upper and lower in opposing directions resulting in a strain or a pull.

nope i realized what i was doing, i forgot to pivot and chamber so i strained my gleutius maxamus. i learned tht doing a side kick a certain way may work for someone but not someone else. bruce lees side kick was done in a way that worked for him, so i did some trial and error and finally decided that chambering my foot down more was the better way because i did not feel the strain anymore

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

the pull is the hamstring attatchment point under the glute, you need to stretch better.

i stretch 30 minutes a day + the additional 5 or 6 before work outs and after

[GranFire]

Originally Posted by mr goodcat

nope i realized what i was doing, i forgot to pivot and chamber so i strained my gleutius maxamus. i learned tht doing a side kick a certain way may work for someone but not someone else. bruce lees side kick was done in a way that worked for him, so i did some trial and error and finally decided that chambering my foot down more was the better way because i did not feel the strain anymore

Just because you are not feeling the strain does not mean the pull isn't there.

If you currently feeling the strain doing the kicks the regular way and not in the different way only means that you are compensating. That can lead to a whole new set of problems down the road!

Giver yourself time to heal! and see where you are then!

You can practice your kicks (pretty much all of them) on the wall, relatively close to it, so you don't have to worry about balance and you can do them more controlled.

[mr goodcat]

Originally Posted by GranFire

Just because you are not feeling the strain does not mean the pull isn't there.

If you currently feeling the strain doing the kicks the regular way and not in the different way only means that you are compensating. That can lead to a whole new set of problems down the road!

Giver yourself time to heal! and see where you are then!

You can practice your kicks (pretty much all of them) on the wall, relatively close to it, so you don't have to worry about balance and you can do them more controlled.

must i? because it hasnt really been working out for me lately. i felt the strain because i was pivoting weirdly. as i said before, a side kick is different with everyone and i will tell you why, simply because those who develope their own unique styles of doing a side kick created a way to ''fully express themselves maximally and efficiently'' they arent doing it because some whacked out doctrine said to, or because it is the ''permitted'' way of doing it, but they came to understand themselves through the efficiency of their own self-expression of their kicking. unless theres an entirely new race of humans on earth that are structured differently, there cant be any different way of fighting(BL)

[eXcessiveForce]

Dude, there are correct mechanics for certain kicks, because the human body only move so many ways. A bad pivot will blow out your knees maybe an ankle.

what you think you are doing, may be incorrect, (from a mechanics standpoint) this can cause you to lose power, and make you more prone to injury.

You need to get some proper instruction before you hurt yourself.

The pivot for a side kick is 180 degrees. It's a linear kick, if your base leg heal is not point at the target when the kick makes contact you are at serious risk of injury. Even if it hasn't happened yet, the effects can add up over time as you get older. Hell I could throw one without pivoting at all, it doesn't mean there isn't a better way.

[GranFire]

Originally Posted by mr goodcat

must i? because it hasnt really been working out for me lately. i felt the strain because i was pivoting weirdly. as i said before, a side kick is different with everyone and i will tell you why, simply because those who develope their own unique styles of doing a side kick created a way to ''fully express themselves maximally and efficiently'' they arent doing it because some whacked out doctrine said to, or because it is the ''permitted'' way of doing it, but they came to understand themselves through the efficiency of their own self-expression of their kicking. unless theres an entirely new race of humans on earth that are structured differently, there cant be any different way of fighting(BL)

LOL! I am not arguing personal style with you. I am thinking of biomechanics. Think Baseball. The player has a little twitch somewhere, so he changes a little thing and his whole game falls appart or worse he gets seriously hurt.

You adjusted your technique to avoid the pull...not seeing what you are doing, I only caution you that you might get more than you bargained for.

Since you hvae no instructor, videotape your session and watch it, maybe you can tell that way what you are doing.

Maybe you did it wrong when you pulled your muscle...but you really ought to give the muscle time to heal while it is only a little twinge. A couple of days with an icepack and some Iboprofene...before you really tear it and then you'll be out much longer.