Monson v Sylvia

[J-Luck]

The main problem for Sylvia here is that he can't beat him that bad standing up becuase Monson is a 6-0 pro boxer, not against fantastic guys, but then again how fantastic is Tim Sylvia in all honesty.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

The main problem for Sylvia here is that he can't beat him that bad standing up becuase Monson is a 6-0 pro boxer, not against fantastic guys, but then again how fantastic is Tim Sylvia in all honesty.

Monson is short, 5 9 i think. I met Slyva at the Wynn Casino, and he is a MONSTER, Im 6 3 and this guy TOWERED over me. TIm was hanging out with mike whitehead in the high limit area. Monson HAS to take TIm to the ground, theres no way he can reach Tims fat mellon, seriously, its WAY THE **** UP THERE

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Monson is short, 5 9 i think. I met Slyva at the Wynn Casino, and he is a MONSTER, Im 6 3 and this guy TOWERED over me. TIm was hanging out with mike whitehead in the high limit area. Monson HAS to take TIm to the ground, theres no way he can reach Tims fat mellon, seriously, its WAY THE **** UP THERE

No no no no no no, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. My point is, he's usually able to knock guys out... which I don't think he will have an easy time doing to Monson. He will SURELY OUTPOINT Monson and maybe knock him out over 5 rounds striking, but as far as STRICTLY working the grappling, I think Monson will stand a little bit. In other words it's not like the gracies having to butt scoot around.

My reasoning for that is that he consistently fights taller guys in boxing, and be sure with a 6-0 record, he knows how to deal with them.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

No no no no no no, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. My point is, he's usually able to knock guys out... which I don't think he will have an easy time doing to Monson. He will SURELY OUTPOINT Monson and maybe knock him out over 5 rounds striking, but as far as STRICTLY working the grappling, I think Monson will stand a little bit. In other words it's not like the gracies having to butt scoot around.

My reasoning for that is that he consistently fights taller guys in boxing, and be sure with a 6-0 record, he knows how to deal with them.

If he does this he will get dropped like a bad habit. Monson I like alot, silva i dont like at all, but Jeff cant stand with him, he knows that, its going to the ground where no one in the world can handle Monson, no one

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

If he does this he will get dropped like a bad habit. Monson I like alot, silva i dont like at all, but Jeff cant stand with him, he knows that, its going to the ground where no one in the world can handle Monson, no one

No logic in that post. Respond to my points and refute them. Do you doubt he has faced and beaten significantly taller opponents boxing? You must be outa your freakin mind if you think the other guys well over 200 pounds he's fought were all 5'8-5'9.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

No logic in that post. Respond to my points and refute them. Do you doubt he has faced and beaten significantly taller opponents boxing? You must be outa your freakin mind if you think the other guys well over 200 pounds he's fought were all 5'8-5'9.

There's no doubt he's fought taller guys in boxing... But he'd definetly not knock Syvlia out on the feet. And if he stands and bangs with him, he will get dropped. Fortunatly, he's not stupid, and he'll take Sylvia to the ground and finish him.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

No logic in that post. Respond to my points and refute them. Do you doubt he has faced and beaten significantly taller opponents boxing? You must be outa your freakin mind if you think the other guys well over 200 pounds he's fought were all 5'8-5'9.

I did. Sylva is way too tall, that was my first reputiation, Monson cant even reach his head to hit it,seriously, hes that tall. Slyva has KO power and more power than Jeff, jeff cannot handle that power (as weve seen Tim KO opponent after opponent, Suave, Arlvoski, etc).
Monson doesnt have the power to KO TIm.
THats that fact jack. Jeff takes the fight to the ground and if he gets it there (I think he will), then he WILL submit Tim.
If he thinks hes good enough to stand with TIm he will get KO'd, and in the 1st round.
Again, I like Jeff alot and want him to win really bad, but he will lose if he exchanges with Tim.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

There's no doubt he's fought taller guys in boxing... But he'd definetly not knock Syvlia out on the feet. And if he stands and bangs with him, he will get dropped. Fortunatly, he's not stupid, and he'll take Sylvia to the ground and finish him.

Triangle, I couldn't agree with you more! But, my point was that he doesn't have to buttscoot around(like some gracies...). He actually has the option of standing up for a lil while each round. I KNOW he'd get knocked out if he keeps it on his feet. My point was only that he can keep it there for at least a short period of time instead of the stupid Matt Serra style shot which fears striking.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

I did. Sylva is way too tall, that was my first reputiation, Monson cant even reach his head to hit it,seriously, hes that tall. Slyva has KO power and more power than Jeff, jeff cannot handle that power (as weve seen Tim KO opponent after opponent, Suave, Arlvoski, etc).
Monson doesnt have the power to KO TIm.
THats that fact jack. Jeff takes the fight to the ground and if he gets it there (I think he will), then he WILL submit Tim.
If he thinks hes good enough to stand with TIm he will get KO'd, and in the 1st round.
Again, I like Jeff alot and want him to win really bad, but he will lose if he exchanges with Tim.

Look I didn't say he'd KO him. So no, again you didn't respond.

I said he COULD stand with him for short periods of time. He doesn't have to buttscoot around. And the height isn't THAT big of a deal. Remember(I can't believe I have to say this to you again) hes ffought guys Tim's size before. Or relatively close.

Never said he could knock him out. But he could stand with him and shoot in ducking a jab and such instead of having to shoot in from 20 feet away. And that's a fact jack

[Rebiu]

Silvia will knock him out.

I have not been impressed with Monsons grappling. He looks to me like someone who thinks bodybuilding will make him a fighter and he fights like it to.

He lost to Forest Griffen, David Dodd and Chuck Liddell.

He was knocked out by Ricco Rodriguez by TKO!

BTW as winning boxing record is not hard to achieve. There are plenty of scrubs who will fight for a few dollars.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

Silvia will knock him out.

I have not been impressed with Monsons grappling. He looks to me like someone who thinks bodybuilding will make him a fighter and he fights like it to.

He lost to Forest Griffen, David Dodd and Chuck Liddell.

He was knocked out by Ricco Rodriguez by TKO!

BTW as winning boxing record is not hard to achieve. There are plenty of scrubs who will fight for a few dollars.

No one cares what you think of his grappling, becuase if you are not impressed, you obviously know not of what you are talking about.

No, he doesn't look like that.

He lost to them a while ago, and in a weight he could hardly maintain. He was dehydrated and weak fighting at the lower weight and this is commonly known.

He got knocked out by Ricco before he ever boxed. And I know it's not amazingly difficult to have a winning boxing record. The point is the height difference. Pay attention... you may learn yet.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

No one cares what you think of his grappling, becuase if you are not impressed, you obviously know not of what you are talking about.

Oooooh I like em plucky. Just calm down ya little firecracker. If no one cares why are you getting so worked up.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

No, he doesn't look like that.

Yes he does. It makes him gas horrible in all his fights. Silly oversized muscles usually means the fighter has an excess of fear that he is trying to compensate for. It does not work and they are exhausted almost before the fight starts. Just look at Mark Coleman.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

He lost to them a while ago, and in a weight he could hardly maintain. He was dehydrated and weak fighting at the lower weight and this is commonly known.

We all have excuses. His victories, unimpressive as they have been, entitle him to fight Silva. They do not entitle him to be imune from critique and critisism, even if he is you hero.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

He got knocked out by Ricco before he ever boxed. And I know it's not amazingly difficult to have a winning boxing record. The point is the height difference. Pay attention... you may learn yet.

You are sooooo sassy. Right on man I dig the sasss.

[J-Luck]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

Oooooh I like em plucky. Just calm down ya little firecracker. If no one cares why are you getting so worked up.Yes he does. It makes him gas horrible in all his fights. Silly oversized muscles usually means the fighter has an excess of fear that he is trying to compensate for. It does not work and they are exhausted almost before the fight starts. Just look at Mark Coleman.We all have excuses. His victories, unimpressive as they have been, entitle him to fight Silva. They do not entitle him to be imune from critique and critisism, even if he is you hero.You are sooooo sassy. Right on man I dig the sasss.

First of all, he is not known to gas since he's gotten to heavy weight. When he was lighter he gassed(dehydrated as I already said). But the muscles work for him. Would I want to be that big? No, not at all. Does it work for him. Sure.

I didn't get worked up. I'm sorry you thought that. Tone is difficult to relay over the internet. Merely meant to put you in your place.

His victories have not been against the best of fighters, no doubt. But, now he's getting a chance to show he CAN hang with the best. Personally I'd rather him fight AA cause we all know if AA stopped boxing so damn much he'd kill Sylvia thus truly giving us the the real champion vs. Monson(Im not sure Monson could beat AA either).

Sassy? Ummm... lol whatever man.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

First of all, he is not known to gas since he's gotten to heavy weight. When he was lighter he gassed(dehydrated as I already said). But the muscles work for him. Would I want to be that big? No, not at all. Does it work for him. Sure.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that he moves so slow now.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

I didn't get worked up. I'm sorry you thought that. Tone is difficult to relay over the internet. Merely meant to put you in your place.

I liked it better when you were angy.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

His victories have not been against the best of fighters, no doubt. But, now he's getting a chance to show he CAN hang with the best. Personally I'd rather him fight AA cause we all know if AA stopped boxing so damn much he'd kill Sylvia thus truly giving us the the real champion vs. Monson(Im not sure Monson could beat AA either).

Monson will learn what AA learned against Sylivia. Bodybuilders are lame. Sylvia is bigger that these guys and puffy muscles will not beat him.

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Sassy? Ummm... lol whatever man.

OOooo turn the other cheak and pretend like you were just misunderstood. What is this? Do you have a manuel for how to be a douchebag?

BTW Monson is an Athiest. Does Christ strengthen him?

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

I did. Sylva is way too tall, that was my first reputiation, Monson cant even reach his head to hit it,seriously, hes that tall. Slyva has KO power and more power than Jeff, jeff cannot handle that power (as weve seen Tim KO opponent after opponent, Suave, Arlvoski, etc).
Monson doesnt have the power to KO TIm.
THats that fact jack. Jeff takes the fight to the ground and if he gets it there (I think he will), then he WILL submit Tim.
If he thinks hes good enough to stand with TIm he will get KO'd, and in the 1st round.
Again, I like Jeff alot and want him to win really bad, but he will lose if he exchanges with Tim.

Jeff isn't planning on standing for long. He respects Tim's standup and knows that's where Tim wants to take it . . . Jeff wants to play his game which means his plan is to take Sylva down and either submit him or keep on hitting until the referee steps in. Monson does NOT see this going the full five rounds

Check out the interview I did with him in September. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bw9og-wsnY

Originally Posted by Rebiu

Silvia will knock him out.

I have not been impressed with Monsons grappling. He looks to me like someone who thinks bodybuilding will make him a fighter and he fights like it to.

Monson is the best American sub-grappler . . . perhaps ever. He has won everything, everywhere, and done most of it more than once. If you're not impressed then you've never watched the man work.