Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[DickHardman]

boarspear didnt you say you train in mongolian wrestling? isnt that a sport?

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

boarspear didnt you say you train in mongolian wrestling? isnt that a sport?

Nope...all the throws were designed to kill or cripple the opponent, none are legal in the ring. But thanks for showing your lack of knowledge on the subject AGAIN.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Nope...all the throws were designed to kill or cripple the opponent, none are legal in the ring. But thanks for showing your lack of knowledge on the subject AGAIN.

hmm, well this clip of mongolian wrestling doesnt show anyone getting killed or crippled. this looks like a sport if you ask me, with many rules.

btw, how many people have you killed and crippled in your life?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wB6WISba5M

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

hmm, well this clip of mongolian wrestling doesnt show anyone getting killed or crippled. this looks like a sport if you ask me, with many rules.

btw, how many people have you killed and crippled in your life?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wB6WISba5M

Uh huh so you hunted the cultural dance and festival's that have been ripped off to build sports...the original art was taught to the Military and is 18 simple moves that resulted in either a broken neck or snapped limb period. All counters did more damage than the original attack, there are no breakfalls because that requires stopping fighting. It most definitely is not a sport, do they combine it with the folk wrestling they do? No. Do the folk wrestlers know this form and use its associated training techniques? Probably not, it isn't a sport. NONE of the attacks are legal in ANY ring anywhere.

BTW by your little question it's evident you have never been in the Military, and have ZERO experience around those who have.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Uh huh so you hunted the cultural dance and festival's that have been ripped off to build sports...the original art was taught to the Military and is 18 simple moves that resulted in either a broken neck or snapped limb period. All counters did more damage than the original attack, there are no breakfalls because that requires stopping fighting. It most definitely is not a sport, do they combine it with the folk wrestling they do? No. Do the folk wrestlers know this form and use its associated training techniques? Probably not, it isn't a sport. NONE of the attacks are legal in ANY ring anywhere.

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

[knifethrower]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

Peaceful, flowing Tai Chi Forms

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

By studying and practicing with someone who knows the art.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

By studying and practicing with someone who knows the art.

hey well even when i tried to legitimately find out if you had something relivant to say behind all this bs, and after trying to find out for myself if there really was more to all this nonsense other than you just being insecure of your own abilities, i realize that no, you really are that insecure.

im done with this thread. thanks for nothing asshole.

[knifethrower]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

By studying and practicing with someone who knows the art.

Oh, uh..................that too........




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[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Nope...all the throws were designed to kill or cripple the opponent...

Where have we heard that before?




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[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

hey well even when i tried to legitimately find out if you had something relivant to say behind all this bs, and after trying to find out for myself if there really was more to all this nonsense other than you just being insecure of your own abilities, i realize that no, you really are that insecure.

im done with this thread. thanks for nothing asshole.

Oh, my bad, see I didn't understand that in return for all your sarcasm, personal attacks and insults and general fuktard behavior I was supposed to share my art with you.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Bore,
In classic drama princess fashion, you're calling my opinions personal attacks. I said at the very beginning that my interpretation of soft arts was nothing but my personal oppinion, and that I was completely ignorant of your training methods. I have no problem admitting I don't know something, and I have not yet said anything negative about your training methods. So if you have some kind of problem with my definition, correct it. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that I am speaking on pure opinion, so your opinion would be welcome. But little passive aggressive tirades about how "classic" my admittedly personal opinions are just go to show what a closed-minded, stuck in the sixties martial artist you really are.

I'm sorry. That came across as insulting. What I mean is, (and I've said this so many times before it's tiresome) you're entitled to your limited, one-sided, biased opinion. But people who are actually willing to go out and experience the things you're hiding from will always be able to see through your rhetoric, and they will always argue with you on the point, even though I can clearly see it's pointless. So go ahead and hide behind whatever claims of lethality you choose. The simple and indisputable fact of the matter is that while you do so, millions of people will train in MMA type arts, and almost all of them will be just fine in self-defense situations for the rest of their lives. I don't know how something so simple and self-apparent as that can be so easily denied by you, but it really doesn't matter. The facts are enough to keep people from taking your word for it, and those same facts seem to be enough to keep people thinking for themselves.

So whatever it is you train, I'm sincerely glad it works for you. Keep training it. But don't think for a second that your experiences in the 60's will have any influence whatever on people training in MMA methods today (HUUUUGE difference in arts and methods, by the way). And please, don't think that because you had some experience in sport judo nearly 4 decades ago that you have any kind of understanding of what modern day athletes go through to achieve expertise. You said it clearly enough. You don't follow sports, and you have no concept of what modern athletes go through. That alone is enough to show that you are totally unqualified to voice any opinion whatever about what benefits sports training can have. It's okay, bore, you can be an expert in tai chi and knife fighting. We can all respect you for that, and I personally do, no matter how ignorant I know you to be on this topic. But no matter what level of expertise you have in your own areas of training, you're talking out of your ass on this topic, and your own comments prove it. Thankfully, I'm not posting any new information. Most of the people here can plainly see that for themselves, and I doubt any of them will hang up their current (and likely effective) training methods because a guy who never watches sports wants to give them advice on how useful sports can be.

Uh huh...so tell us about the Curriculum in SFCQ Mr Brewer...I'm curious about
the 6 phases being currently taught...so please tell us what it is...what percentage is MMA or BJJ in SFCQ Mike?

Sport judo? I Haven't evolved since the 60's? where did you pull those 'Facts" from? oh yeah your ass...lies about my training count as personal attacks.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Oh, my bad, see I didn't understand that in return for all your sarcasm, personal attacks and insults and general fuktard behavior I was supposed to share my art with you.

LOL! Oh no, don't withold all that great wisdom!

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

As a post script, I must say that despite our differences and the fact that I see you as someone commenting out of total and complete ignorance, I really do respect the fact hat you've achieved some level of success in your own training without MMA. I know you may not believe me, but I respect the hell out of what you've accomplished and what you've been able to achieve in terms of your own effectiveness. I mean that in the sincerest and most heartfelt way I know.

What I'd love to see, and I mean LOVE to see, is for you to describe how someone could train for effectiveness in your average street confrontation using other methods besides MMA. Those methods are obviously out there, and I know you're something of an expert in them, so how about it? Why not discuss what people could be doing better instead of just shitting on what so many people better than you have decided is an effective way to go?

After all, this is what an average streetfight looks like.

http://www.comegetyousome.com/videos.php?cat=Fight

This is hardly the kind of circumstance that calls for a death touch or a knifing. Just scan the net or go to your local bar. Most streetfights are closer to the things you see here than the kind of worst case lethal encounter you'retalking about, right? After all...how many people have you had to kill in your life? And how many fights have you been in? Since you've been fighting for real since the early 60's, I'd guess you've seen your share of violent offenses. And since you're enjoying your freedom and typing on this forum from the comfort of your home/school, I'd guess you haven't had to kill too awful many people. So it seems clear that you, like me, have found far more use for non-lethal techniques than the lethal stuff, right? To a layman and ignoramus like me, it seems MMA is well-suited to that kind of non-lethal event. But since you are by far the more experienced and wiser of the two of us, and since you clearly see how MMA will get you killed in an average streetfight, I seriously and humbly welcome any input you have on how the rest of us can train without MMA for the kind of events that we're probably going to have to face in our lifetime.

Thanks in advance for sharing.

Nice dodge...Answer the question...what percentage of the 6 phases of the CURRENT SFCQ training the Green Beret's etc receive is MMA or bjj? UH HUH we both know why you dodged the question don't we....because it blows EVERY pro mma bjj for SD post you've ever made right the window doesn't it?

Like I said I'm not arguing proven facts with you anymore...thats why I questioned you so hard about your pro MMA stance before for the Military...it's being phased the FUK out Bro... NO SF people get it anymore...it's essentially WW2 combatives....AGAIN. So much for how important it is...its been called a MISTAKE and admitted failure by its creator MSGT Larson. TTFN it's been fun visiting the zoo.

Oh BTW I TRIED MANY times to discuss my training methods,All that got me was heckled by every MMA fan on the board... I invited several board members to come see for themselves, some did... some didnt...others including you have seen videos...I dare say none of the people who heckle me have had anyone verify their ability to get out from behind a keyboard..with the exception of you Mike. So thanks but its already been proven this isnt the place for me to discuss the arts with those with an open mind.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

What about you, Bore? How do you train your guys?

He plays with KOTF with rubber knives for 20 minutes, then talks about what he 'could' do in this or that situation for 3 hours.