Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by knifethrower

Theory-boy? Keep on truckin little bunny rabbit...keep on truckin....


Ooooooooooooooo! jubaji's friend said so! Well, lets just everybody get togather and have a big suplex party!

WAHOO GET THE BEER! IT'S SUPLEX TIME!







* your friend said so...what a fukin joke

ROFLMAO...a suplex party...

Who needs experience, or common sense when we have Jubaji's friend's second hand opinion.

I don't know whats funnier, the second hand opinion of a trolls friend, or the statement he has a friend.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Garland

**** this shit...let's talk about something important...like why bi-sexual girls are evil fucking fucks just out to destroy the hearts and souls of well meaning and naive men. Succubi. Evil. Scandalous and evil.

Some girls want to be crafty and get really snippy when they get called out on their craft. Don't put up with it and don't beat yourself up over it.

Garland, there are a few women out there who were really meant for you and fewer who are your perfect match.

Keep searchin, young brotha.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Garland, there are few women out there who were really meant for you and one who is your perfect match. .

you dont know that.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

you dont know that.

Dick, your attitude is in the dumps.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

And I think that's far better justification for a tool or method than "It's too deadly to do this for real, but trust me - it'll work."

Hmmm I think we have you EXPOSED. So Mike, If I slip a strike, sweep your feet and stomp your head while it's flat on the street while wearing combat boots it wont work unless I actually stomped your head in training? If I have done this at speed hundreds of thousands of times against a resisting opponent but never actually stomped the guys head but just pinned it there then this is BS training and I would be better off learning MMA?

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Actually, it's not my school at all.

Nuff said.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Very well said Bro...The correction officers, Leo's and soldiers I know ALL laugh at MMA concepts for SD..perhaps my favorite slam of all is the "You can't tap out on the street" shirts the Swat Units and SF guys are all starting to wear...their experiences outside the ring have made their feelings so clear shirts are being made..thats reality for you.

I can see that. If you're line of work involves security or war, you want to know how to apply different levels of force on the person you're trying to control.

I'd guess in some instances, an aikido style wristlock would be perfect for someone just trying to force their way somewhere they shouldn't. In a more physical and direct confrontation, a rear-naked choke would be better and still be considered a justifiable use of force, rather than overkill. You can still kill someone by keeping the choke too long - that Army guy did that to the big Football kid and the kid ended up dieing. Well the kid slammed him into the concrete twice before he sank the choke in.

In the most urgent case, I can see how maneuvers from LINE and Asian influenced combatives could end a fight quick...but for civillian intents and purposes, does someone need to go so far?

I know there are some huge tactical differences between MMA and combatives - being combatives is more for urban self-protection and deals with a more flexible range of scenarios.

Question for legal eagles here or anyone who knows:

If someone gets attacked by multiple opponents and as the victim covers from raining punches, stomp kicks and he counter spear jabs one of the attackers in the throat or eye, getting penetration, is this a legally justifiable use of force? If he bites one of the attackers who is trying to hold/pin him and rips off flesh, is this legally justifiable?

Common sense says yes, but I do not know for sure.

The attackers are unarmed but the victim is outnumbered.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Who needs experience, or common sense when we have Jubaji's friend's second hand opinion]

As predicted, Boring starts in with the lies to cover his little ego. Even on 'ignore' he sniffs around for anything he can use to try and cover his insecurity...

[knifethrower]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Yes, 'theory-boy.'

YES! I have a nickname! This is so cool, now! Let’s see if I can come up with just one for you….let’s see there’s Bunny Rabbit, Little Engine, Engine Bunny, Bunny Boy, Engine Boy….so many names…so little time........

Originally Posted by jubaji

You're right, anecdotes are proof of nothing, and I don't imagine you are inclined to believe me anyway.

Naw, dude…It’s ok , man…I believe you















Noooo…….not really…you’re full of sh!t

Originally Posted by jubaji

And of course pUke will soon start shouting, "exception to the rule! exception to the rule!" like he does every time one of his silly generalizations is refuted. However, it is interesting that you are quick to scoff at my personal information from the real world…

REAL WORLD!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Beer just came out my nose! Fucking funny, dude. Keepem’ commin! This is great!

Originally Posted by jubaji

but even quicker to accept anything that pUke pulls out his ass.

...and quickest of all to climb on up in Boring's ass yourself!

There it is! I didn’t think it was going to be this easy but, you’re pissed off! His wounds are open boys!!



RUN FOR THE SALT!

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by knifethrower

REAL WORLD!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Beer just came out my nose! Fucking funny, dude. Keepem’ commin! This is great!



There it is! I didn’t think it was going to be this easy but, you’re pissed off! His wounds are open boys!!



RUN FOR THE SALT!

Dude you're killing me...keyboards ain't cheap...neither is mezcal.

[knifethrower]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Dude you're killing me...keyboards ain't cheap...neither is mezcal.

Thank jubaji and his "Real World" experiences…Hell, I’ve been though three keyboards myself!--------------------

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Dick, your attitude is in the dumps.

i agree, my attidude is not the greatest. but the fact remains, we dont always get the things we want in life. no need to hype ourselves up into believing all kinds of fantasies, just look how uke and boar turned out. both in a state of denial so deep, that all this stuff they have been posting may just be more than mere trolling . they may actually believe in some of the bs they been saying.

[Uke]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

Hmmm I think we have you EXPOSED. So Mike, If I slip a strike, sweep your feet and stomp your head while it's flat on the street while wearing combat boots it wont work unless I actually stomped your head in training? If I have done this at speed hundreds of thousands of times against a resisting opponent but never actually stomped the guys head but just pinned it there then this is BS training and I would be better off learning MMA?

Of course he's been exposed. He goes on and on about "THEE PREMIER SCHOOL" and gets embarrassed when he finds out where the combative training comes from. Its called foot in mouth disease. Then Brewer goes off on a tirade about what's taught at the school. Why doesn't everyone find out for themselves? And take notice of where the head instructor received his training.

http://www.defenseinstitute.com/

Look at how there is a clear distinction between what they teach for SD and what they teach for sport. The word "sport" is clear and evident. Then he goes on to say that it isn't his school. No shit, Sherlock. That was the point. No premier school would teach the nonsense you've been ranting about lately. And if you think someone who knew better would pay you to sell that shit, then why not just open your own school and see if you can compete with the school that you wrote was the "Premier school in the area"? For a guy who seems to train boxers, MMA and combatives you should be getting paid for it, shouldn't you? Let me guess, you teach for free because you just want to share MMA with the world and don't need the money?

The saddest thing if any of you haven't noticed is that not only is Mike being exposed, he's also he own biggest cheerleader. He actually thinks that he's won even one point in this debate, when now not only are his ideas about self defense and combat suspect, but his own training is. He's got 3 years under one guy with a name, and then all of a sudden he's got 26 years experience "doing this". And according to him, most of his time goes into training boxers, not SD or MMA! So which is it? Why pretend?

There hasn't been one guy on this forum who has had to talk about his fights or his past as much as Mike to make an impact. I barely EVER mention my training because unlike Mike Brewer I don't need to lean on name dropping as a crutch. That's Mike's M.O. Whenever it becomes clear that he's in over his head, you'll see "Vunak" and "Inosanto" all over his posts. I didn't even mention the Defense Institute. I just let it blow up in Brewer's face when he did. No one, not me, not Boar, not IPON have ever had to begin name dropping in order to lend our arguments "name-power" for the sake of "seeming" knowledgeable.

Then, even beyond the MMA topic, the soft and hard debate went an extra mile to show you just how easily a man who believes that he knows everything can try and bullshit his way through an explanation about things he clearly knows nothing about. And when he got called on it by me, he attacked Boarspear which shows that he doesn't read clearly otherwise he would have approached me about it.

I've been here for a couple of years and read a lot of posts, and I've never run into another poster other than Mike who constantly felt the need to tell other people how tough he was. Not even some of the better known assholes here do that. Who, but someone that has a need to convince consistently informs others that he's tough? I've met and trained with masters and instructors from around the world. I've met pro athletes. I've met pro boxers. And the one thing that they all have in common is that not one of them needed to put forth a tough exterior to seem like a hard ass. When people here challenged Mike Brewer on the MMA topic, he responded by saying things like "I've been in a lot of fights" and "I've got the wounds to proves it" instead of explaining his rational in terms of common sense.

After reading the posts by Mike Brewer, it seems that he's and advocate of being tougher and battle-worn. And that's exactly what he'd teach to anyone willing to listen to him: How to be tough and get scars and wounds to prove it. No one who's been in a real fight and gotten real injuries would tell someone who's looking to them for guidance to perform risky shit that will get them killed. Its one thing to say "I had no choice, they had me in a jam, so I did the first thing that I could think of and God willing it worked for me". But its a whole other thing to know what you're doing is risky and inefficient and go ahead and teach that garbage to someone else.

The funny part is that it hasn't dawned on Mike Brewer yet that The Defense Institute doesn't instruct in the manner that he suggested, which can only mean that he's even more full of sh!t because if he had been there, he'd have known that. How much more credibility is this debate going to cost Brewer?

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

i agree, my attidude is not the greatest. but the fact remains, we dont always get the things we want in life..

That's a bad excuse for not setting goals and not trying new things. This may blow your world, but did you know professional baseball players who earn millions per year still strike out when they get up to the plate? Mahatma Ghandi got his ass kicked thousands of times and you know how that turned out. Copernicus got his ass kicked and his career ruined by people who called themselves Christians, but he still loved God. I'm sure today's astronauts are glad that he was so persistent on his scientific hypothesis....

I guess it boils down to how much heart you really have, Dick and how bad you want something.

Originally Posted by DickHardman

no need to hype ourselves up into believing all kinds of fantasies.

You can be a sheep. Status-quo all the way...

Originally Posted by DickHardman

just look how uke and boar turned out. both in a state of denial so deep, that all this stuff they have been posting may just be more than mere trolling on their part. they may actually believe in some of the bs they been saying.

I've never disagreed with either's theory of combatives or views on traditional martial arts. I don't share the same distaste for MMA.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

i agree, my attidude is not the greatest. but the fact remains, we dont always get the things we want in life..

That's a bad excuse for not setting goals and not trying new things. This may blow your world, but did you know professional baseball players who earn millions per year still strike out when they get up to the plate? Wow, I guess they should be fired for not being perfect...

Mahatma Ghandi got his ass kicked thousands of times.

Copernicus got his ass kicked and his career ruined by people who called themselves Christians, but he still loved God despite other people's phobias, deep seated insecurities and jealousies. I'm sure today's astronauts are glad that he was so persistent on his scientific hypothesis....

I guess it boils down to how much heart you really have, Dick and how bad you want something.

Originally Posted by DickHardman

no need to hype ourselves up into believing all kinds of fantasies.

You can be a sheep. Status-quo all the way...

Originally Posted by DickHardman

just look how uke and boar turned out. both in a state of denial so deep, that all this stuff they have been posting may just be more than mere trolling on their part. they may actually believe in some of the bs they been saying.

I've never disagreed with either's theory of combatives or views on traditional martial arts. However, I don't share the same distaste for MMA.