Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[BoarSpear]

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Originally Posted by Uke

Its amazing that you think you can speak for everyone else when you were unaware that you were being laughed at for an entire week on the ninjitsu topic. You're a clueless clown. The village idiot never knows who he is until he wins an award for something.

Here's to jubaji, the most ignorant, misinformed, non-martial artist asshole on the forum. Looks like you're working on 6,000 posts on Deluxe Martial Arts Forums and not one of them has anything to do with martial arts. That's got to be a record or something.

You need to recognized for your achievements, jubaji. Here you go:

[Uke]

Originally Posted by Juicefree

In response ;



Not as embarrassed as any of those other 'professionals' would be in a MMA ring.



Which I, and many other's, don't. Street situations regularly break out where weapons are never involved. Weapons are only one, very minor and very specific, aspect of MA.



Because Royce is so honed and atheletic ? Again your comment is incorrect.



These are athelete's at the top of their game. MA is a movement related activity. These guys know their bodies inside out, they know how to move and how to best utilise body positions and recruit technique-related power. Couture [b]would[b/] rapidly rise to the top of most MA, just simply watch his foot work.



A pure boxing and kick-boxing approach to MMA would see you eaten alive. I think it was Bruce Lee who said that, owing to it's many rules, western style boxing is overly daring in a MMA/reality situation.

In short Uke, I do not believe you have fully considered the ramifications of your argument.

Juicyfree your entire response is full of "would's" and "I believe's". I can appreciate you thinking through your response, but on a whole you haven't addressed on point in any of my posts with facts. Just assumption based on would of, could of and what you believe.

But the moment you said that weapons aren't the premise of what reality training is based on, I knew you it was time to cut it short with you.

Dick Hardman called me insecure because he couldn't discuss any of this. He'd rather talk about individuals that he doesn't know than arts he supposedly does.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Uke

He'd rather talk about individuals that he doesn't know than arts he supposedly does.

this is exactly what you are doing. in every single one of your posts. and when people like juicefree respond with valid points you just brush them off because you dont like what you hear.

btw, what do you train in?

[Uke]

Originally Posted by jubaji

You sure the thread you want to reference is the one where you showed your comic-book level knowledge of history?

Speaking of comic books, did you tell the rest of the forum that the ninja post was based on your life or death duel in the parking lot of TGIF's? Go ahead, jubaji. Tell the forum how a man came at you with a rambo knife and you switched from MMA mode to killer MMA mode and belly to belly suplexed him, took his knife and put it to his throat in one smooth action? LMAO

Then you say you threatened his friends who were kicking the shit out of your friend in the handicapped space by saying that you'd kill your now incapacitated foe if they didn't stop? This shit was so funny I can hardly type it.

A Young Man's Tale

A long time ago, it was Mike Brewer who said that anyone who can remember every single detail about a fight where his ass was really on the line is full of shit. Well, I agree Mike.

[Uke]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

this is exactly what you are doing. in every single one of your posts. and when people like juicefree respond with valid points you just brush them off because you dont like what you hear.

btw, what do you train in?

WTF? Is this some moronic attempt to bond now? At least you realized that it was juicyfree that wrote something sensible and not yourself. And by the way, copy and pasting specific parts of my posts and leaving out key parts in attempt to make your replies seem stronger isn't replying with valid points. Its creating side discussions instead of addressing specifically what was written.

I write that MMA fighters are not even the best kickboxers, and here comes Dick saying that kickboxers would kick so and so's ass. You're not kickboxers, remember? You're MMA. You're not BJJ players. You're MMA. You're not boxers. You're MMA. You don't punch, kick or grapple as well TMA's do. Other fighters know who they are. Only MMA's thing that they can venture outside on MMA events and still succeed even though the skill level is higher in K-1, Abu Dhabi and professional boxing.

And just so you know, you're statement concerning Couture rising to the top in any MA is ridiculous. He's a great wrestler. But put him in K-1, a boxing ring or in the Abu Dhabi and he would get knocked out just like 90% of MMA fighters who venture out do.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by Uke

WTF? Is this some moronic attempt to bond now? At least you realized that it was juicyfree that wrote something sensible and not yourself. And by the way, copy and pasting specific parts of my posts and leaving out key parts in attempt to make your replies seem stronger isn't replying with valid points. Its creating side discussions instead of addressing specifically what was written.

I write that MMA fighters are not even the best kickboxers, and here comes Dick saying that kickboxers would kick so and so's ass. You're not kickboxers, remember? You're MMA. You're not BJJ players. You're MMA. You're not boxers. You're MMA. You don't punch, kick or grapple as well TMA's do. Other fighters know who they are. Only MMA's thing that they can venture outside on MMA events and still succeed even though the skill level is higher in K-1, Abu Dhabi and professional boxing.

And just so you know, you're statement concerning Couture rising to the top in any MA is ridiculous. He's a great wrestler. But put him in K-1, a boxing ring or in the Abu Dhabi and he would get knocked out just like 90% of MMA fighters who venture out do.

Its the fighter not the style. You cant just label someone "MMA" just because they train in muay thai, jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing. And to you, it seems you label something as either "TMA" or "MMA" and its not right. Their are many mma fighters that would do very well in boxing or kickboxing if they focused on that one thing.

[Mike Brewer]

Mike, if you've agreed that weapons are the reality of the street, then why waste you time pretending that MMA has some ring of reality to it? If you agree that comprehensive self defense/urban combat systems base all of their methods and ideologies on weapons and weapon disarms, how can you find it in yourself to lump that kickboxing ballet shit into the same realm? That casts you into double talking light.

I'm going to clarify this because it's a topic that ended a friendship here on this very board. I believe that realistic street self-protection involves weapons and multiple attackers first - but not always. My training starts with weapons and mass attack. It has since the early part of the 90's. However, I still find myself in plenty of altercations where choking a guy out is a better, more legal, and more ethical option than breaking his jaw or shooting him. I study boxing as well. Does that make me a hipocryte? Boxing is a sport, and it is by far the most limited combat sport going. The rules are far more restrictive than MMA or even full contact karate. And you know what? I'll go to my death bed knowing that boxing does indeed have street applications. Not as a complete self-protection art, and not in many situations, but in some. MMA to me is no different. Whether or not it happens to be Thai boxing and submissions thrown in (which it's not), what's wrong with that? If I can find a use for Thai boxing, and I can find a use for submissions, why not train them together? You call it doubletalk because you don't like MMA for whatever reason. I call it consistency of beliefs. I train in boxing. I've trained in kickboxing. I've trained in BJJ. How can I possibly not mix those things together? And mixing them, why would I not seek other people who do similar things to train with? It's not all I do, and it's not the first thing I do. But it is something I do, because there are times when it works for me. I've been in more than my share of fights. In those, I've faced multiple attackers, weapons, and regular old drunk guys. I've punched people in the face (boxing), taken some to the ground on purpose (because it fit the situation) choked many of them out standing, used knees and elbows and headbutts and thumbs in the eyes. If you feel you need to defend your anti-MMA stance by telling me what I should or shouldn't believe about my training, go ahead. If you want to pretend I'm being hypocritical because I train across the board in sport martial arts like boxing, kickboxing and MMA as well as shooting, mass attack, knives, sticks, etc, go for it if it makes you feel better.

Or you could just ask yourself how it is that you, a guy who obviously professes that sport martial arts have no value in the street, enjoys boxing so much. Better still, you could accept that people find effectiveness in a lot of places. Some people are effective fighting with Tae Kwon Do, some with animal kung fu, and some are even pretty good with Tai Chi from what I hear.

So my suggestion is we let this topic and all like it die and you just accept that people can both train in and be effective with anything that's trained with the right mindset.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Here here you knocked that one right out of the park again

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by pUke

Speaking of comic books, did you tell the rest of the forum that the ninja post was based on your life or death duel in the parking lot of TGIF's?

I don't think I've ever been in a "life or death duel in the parking lot of TGIF's." You are just talking out your ass yet again.

Too bad your parents weren't ninja, 'cause according to whatever comic book you read they didn't believe in having children

Of course if they did spawn the likes of you, it would explain why (another pUke ninja fact!) they would be motivated to wear masks every second of their lives!


You ran off of that thread under the cover of a lame-ass joke after humiliating yourself by spouting comic-book nonsense and being refuted by pretty much everyone else there.

You will keep repeating the same old contradictions and biased irrationality here (based on your glaring insecurity) until you are refuted so many times in so many ways that you become frustrated yet again and run off like you inevitably do every time. Why not save some time and just STFU now?

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by pUke

And just so you know, you're statement concerning Couture rising to the top in any MA is ridiculous. He's a great wrestler.

A new world record for fastest contradiction!




With a bonus grammar mistake thrown in for good measure!

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

I'm going to clarify this because it's a topic that ended a friendship here on this very board.

Yeah, I remember that thread. It was f@$!ing pathetic watching a bunch of grown men and women get that bent out of shape over the internet and it's even more disgraceful that you people (all of you) can't seem to let it go. If you think back I stayed out of that argument, but I did read it. It wasn't the sport vs. reality argument that ruined the friendship, it was the way you got yourself in a huff when (oh the drama) you decided that Boar was questioning your integrity in the heat of the argument. Well, depending on whether you think I'm a fraud I may or may not train at a "real boxing gym" but I definately don't hold grudges against my friends for months after the fact just because they lost their temper and put their foot in their mouth on the internet. Does this post belong here or would it be more on topic in your thread on the definition of character?

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

Does this post belong here or would it be more on topic in your thread on the definition of character?

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[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Uke

WTF? Is this some moronic attempt to bond now? At least you realized that it was juicyfree that wrote something sensible and not yourself. And by the way, copy and pasting specific parts of my posts and leaving out key parts in attempt to make your replies seem stronger isn't replying with valid points. Its creating side discussions instead of addressing specifically what was written.

I write that MMA fighters are not even the best kickboxers, and here comes Dick saying that kickboxers would kick so and so's ass. You're not kickboxers, remember? You're MMA. You're not BJJ players. You're MMA. You're not boxers. You're MMA. You don't punch, kick or grapple as well TMA's do. Other fighters know who they are. Only MMA's thing that they can venture outside on MMA events and still succeed even though the skill level is higher in K-1, Abu Dhabi and professional boxing.

And just so you know, you're statement concerning Couture rising to the top in any MA is ridiculous. He's a great wrestler. But put him in K-1, a boxing ring or in the Abu Dhabi and he would get knocked out just like 90% of MMA fighters who venture out do.

first off you dont know what i train in or what my backround is, so thanks for proving my point about how you talk about others without even knowing them.

and i never said anything about randy couture, i think you may have me confused with someone else.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

I thought eat in mandarin was "chr"?

It is. Chi is the correct spelling of "chr" in the pin-yin system of romanization. The "r" is more pronounced by northern Chinese than southern. Northern Chinese don't have the same difficulty of mispronouncing "r" and "l" for that reason. You can hear it when they speak english.

[DickHardman]

btw, arent mt and jiu jitsu tmas ?