Uchi Mata takedown

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 01-07-2007, 08:32 PM

aseepish · 01-07-2007, 10:20 PM

Niiiiiiiiice!

That's a lurvely throw. I can't wait for my Judo classes to resume next week.

SamuraiGuy · 01-08-2007, 09:14 AM

Now I'm not gonna profess to be a person who should tell shinya aoki how to grapple, but he should be pulling the hand he has wrist control UP into the air, and across his face, and not down, naturally you want to pull it down, good judo says up.

Another thing, how many people do a no-gi Uchi-Mata or Harai Goshi type throw with the over hook and whizzer grip, I've always preferred the underhook.

**Hardball** · 01-08-2007, 10:03 AM

I prefer o' garuma to hari goshi and I never really liked uchi mata that much.

Bjjexpertise@be · 01-08-2007, 02:30 PM

The whizzer is actually rather nice for a harai goshi and uchi mata throw. Nobody truly expects the throw coming because they have an underhook.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 01-08-2007, 07:25 PM

The overhook or whizzer, what ever you wanto call it, is IMO just as controlling as an underhook. Just as long as you have correct positioning(of your feet, hips, hands, head) you can get the throw. And i dont believe it is an Uchi Mata if you dont have a whizzer. This throw translates nicely after defending a single leg as you are supposed get ahold of one of their wrists and whizzer the arm.

What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring.

SamuraiGuy · 01-08-2007, 10:32 PM

How can you say its not an uchi-mata if you use an underhook

The Uchi-Mata throw is a "Inner Thigh Throw" so your hitting the inside of the thigh.

Thats the movement that makes it uchi-mata, not the grips, if I take a grip on the back of my opponents collar and throw him with Uchi-Mata, it is the same as if I throw using the collar, or an underhook. You hit the inside of the thigh in that manner, and its an uchi-mata.

TriangleChoke - "What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring."

Of course you dont get it, because you dont lift them with the leg, the throw is more of a spin than anything. Great plunging uchi-matas you might see may send the guy over, but its usually more of a spin. If you go to deep you'll get countered.

When you do it correctly, your opponent should be off balanced before you enter, you drive the hand on the collar, or under hook, or whatever, up (if its on the collar you can drive it up into their face). The other hand pulls on the wrist on an UPWARD ANGLE. This is so key to the spin and pulling off the throw. The leg plunges in, person flies, but the key thing, or the thing I've always found to be key, is that spin, and thats created by what your hands are doing, the leg just stops them from following you with their feet.

I dont know if this is making any sense... but.... well I hope it does.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 01-09-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

I dont know if this is making any sense... but.... well I hope it does.

Yeah, i get what youre saying. I definitely need to do Judo in the future.

JkD187 · 01-10-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Now I'm not gonna profess to be a person who should tell shinya aoki how to grapple
.

Then dont

J-Luck · 01-11-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

The overhook or whizzer, what ever you wanto call it, is IMO just as controlling as an underhook. Just as long as you have correct positioning(of your feet, hips, hands, head) you can get the throw. And i dont believe it is an Uchi Mata if you dont have a whizzer. This throw translates nicely after defending a single leg as you are supposed get ahold of one of their wrists and whizzer the arm.

What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring.

Don't think of the leg against the hamstring as a tool to lift them, think of it as a post that the weight must be thrown over.

J-Luck · 01-11-2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

How can you say its not an uchi-mata if you use an underhook

The Uchi-Mata throw is a "Inner Thigh Throw" so your hitting the inside of the thigh.

Thats the movement that makes it uchi-mata, not the grips, if I take a grip on the back of my opponents collar and throw him with Uchi-Mata, it is the same as if I throw using the collar, or an underhook. You hit the inside of the thigh in that manner, and its an uchi-mata.

TriangleChoke - "What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring."

Of course you dont get it, because you dont lift them with the leg, the throw is more of a spin than anything. Great plunging uchi-matas you might see may send the guy over, but its usually more of a spin. If you go to deep you'll get countered.

When you do it correctly, your opponent should be off balanced before you enter, you drive the hand on the collar, or under hook, or whatever, up (if its on the collar you can drive it up into their face). The other hand pulls on the wrist on an UPWARD ANGLE. This is so key to the spin and pulling off the throw. The leg plunges in, person flies, but the key thing, or the thing I've always found to be key, is that spin, and thats created by what your hands are doing, the leg just stops them from following you with their feet.

I dont know if this is making any sense... but.... well I hope it does.

Thus is the greatest contribution Judo has to grappling... kuzushi. I think everyone should train at least a little in Judo due to that concept.

**Hardball** · 01-11-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Luck

Thus is the greatest contribution Judo has to grappling... kuzushi. I think everyone should train at least a little in Judo due to that concept.

It's o.k. but I believe the garami's and gatame's contribute more to grappling than the Kuzushi.

J-Luck · 01-11-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

It's o.k. but I believe the garami's and gatame's contribute more to grappling than the Kuzushi.

No offense but I couldn't disagree more. I think those are contributions of JJJ... not Judo. Judo merely adopted.

Kuzushi was more of a concept that developed from randori, which would make it inherently from Judo.

Kuzushi helps in any type of grappling. Once understood, it helps a great deal.

J-Luck · 01-11-2007, 04:56 PM

Gatame's if I'm not mistaken is also from wrestling.

**Hardball** · 01-11-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Luck

No offense but I couldn't disagree more. I think those are contributions of JJJ... not Judo. Judo merely adopted.

Kuzushi was more of a concept that developed from randori, which would make it inherently from Judo.

Kuzushi helps in any type of grappling. Once understood, it helps a great deal.

You gotta be right because that's what I study. JJJ

Sometimes I get carried away with the similarities. Nice Catch.

01-07-2007, 08:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
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aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,638 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Niiiiiiiiice! That's a lurvely throw. I can't wait for my Judo classes to resume next week. __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

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SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,866 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now I'm not gonna profess to be a person who should tell shinya aoki how to grapple, but he should be pulling the hand he has wrist control UP into the air, and across his face, and not down, naturally you want to pull it down, good judo says up. Another thing, how many people do a no-gi Uchi-Mata or Harai Goshi type throw with the over hook and whizzer grip, I've always preferred the underhook. __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

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Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,404 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I prefer o' garuma to hari goshi and I never really liked uchi mata that much. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 50,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

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Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 1,852 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	The whizzer is actually rather nice for a harai goshi and uchi mata throw. Nobody truly expects the throw coming because they have an underhook. __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

01-08-2007, 07:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
7r14ngL3Ch0k3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,514 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The overhook or whizzer, what ever you wanto call it, is IMO just as controlling as an underhook. Just as long as you have correct positioning(of your feet, hips, hands, head) you can get the throw. And i dont believe it is an Uchi Mata if you dont have a whizzer. This throw translates nicely after defending a single leg as you are supposed get ahold of one of their wrists and whizzer the arm. What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring.

01-08-2007, 10:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,866 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	How can you say its not an uchi-mata if you use an underhook The Uchi-Mata throw is a "Inner Thigh Throw" so your hitting the inside of the thigh. Thats the movement that makes it uchi-mata, not the grips, if I take a grip on the back of my opponents collar and throw him with Uchi-Mata, it is the same as if I throw using the collar, or an underhook. You hit the inside of the thigh in that manner, and its an uchi-mata. TriangleChoke - "What i dont understand is how you lift them with your leg thats pushing on their hamstring." Of course you dont get it, because you dont lift them with the leg, the throw is more of a spin than anything. Great plunging uchi-matas you might see may send the guy over, but its usually more of a spin. If you go to deep you'll get countered. When you do it correctly, your opponent should be off balanced before you enter, you drive the hand on the collar, or under hook, or whatever, up (if its on the collar you can drive it up into their face). The other hand pulls on the wrist on an UPWARD ANGLE. This is so key to the spin and pulling off the throw. The leg plunges in, person flies, but the key thing, or the thing I've always found to be key, is that spin, and thats created by what your hands are doing, the leg just stops them from following you with their feet. I dont know if this is making any sense... but.... well I hope it does. __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

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