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Old 01-21-2007, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If you could pick only two of the following styles to be a complete fighter what would your choices be?

Bjj
Wrestling
Boxing
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Muay Thai/Bjj has many representatives in MMA such a Vanderlai and everyone else from the shootboxing academy.

Boxing/Wrestling was first demonstrated by Don Frye, Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, Quinton Jackson.

Wrestling/Muay Thai is Chuck Liddell.

Boxing/ Bjj would be Vitor Belfort and Bustamante.
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Ummmm... not that big of a selection, and to be a "complete fighter" is not necessarily true, no fighter is ever complete..

but I would choose boxing and bjj
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I would chose any martial art style that I felt used realistic training methods, conditioned their practitioners to be physically and mentally prepaired to win a fight and lastly trained multiple ranges or scenarios.

That and the Chinese art of ching-ching-pow for home protection.
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This is not intended as an insult.

Do you do any of the styles you mentioned or not?? I wonder this because you see so many posts where people mention 'this style' and 'that style' and then ask who does it, what do people think of it, is it an effective style etc etc. A lot of the time I think it's peoples insecurities about what they train in and need verification from others that they are doing the "correct" style and training according to whatever the trendy MA is at the time. That is why in this thread Tom is correct IMHO.

If that is the case mate, let it go.

If not then I apologise for second guessing you.
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Ummmm... not that big of a selection, and to be a "complete fighter" is not necessarily true, no fighter is ever complete..

but I would choose boxing and bjj
You make a good point but seeing as there are no absolutes in live I would suggest that statement is to general to have any value as a position.
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So you choose wrestling then?
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Rebiu>

This is not intended as an insult.

Do you do any of the styles you mentioned or not?? I wonder this because you see so many posts where people mention 'this style' and 'that style' and then ask who does it, what do people think of it, is it an effective style etc etc. A lot of the time I think it's peoples insecurities about what they train in and need verification from others that they are doing the "correct" style and training according to whatever the trendy MA is at the time. That is why in this thread Tom is correct IMHO.

If that is the case mate, let it go.

If not then I apologise for second guessing you.
I understand you suspitions and respect you perspective. I would guess that the sum of my fighting experience excedes the sum of the rest of the posters to this thread, perhaps the entire forum, in depth and breadth.

I trained at Machado Jiu Jitsu for three years this involved much exposure to wrestling and Judo as many champions would come to train in BJJ.

I have three pro fights, five amatuer fights and competed in several Dog Bros stick fighting matches as well .

I studied Muay Thai at the IMB, and Emerald Mongoose in addition to training with Tony Messenger and Thin Kong.

I have trained in boxing with four previously professional boxers. I trained with many excellent wrestlers and sparred for thousands of hours.

I trained in MMA with many midwest competators including Jeremy Horn, Jesse Jones, Joe Riggs, Jens Pulver, and Pat Militech in Nebraska and Iowa.

I trained with Ricco Rodrigues and Fabiano Iha in LA.

I trained with Kawini Mau Mau and Sonny in Hawaii and grappled with some of BJ Penns students.

I have studied and took formal classes, sparred and competed in TKD, Hapkido, Shotokan.

I have extensive involvement with the Kansas Highway Patrol and their developement of training.

Does this alleviat your concerns?
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Rebiu>

This is not intended as an insult.

Do you do any of the styles you mentioned or not?? I wonder this because you see so many posts where people mention 'this style' and 'that style' and then ask who does it, what do people think of it, is it an effective style etc etc. A lot of the time I think it's peoples insecurities about what they train in and need verification from others that they are doing the "correct" style and training according to whatever the trendy MA is at the time. That is why in this thread Tom is correct IMHO.
Perhaps you could share you choices.
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I understand you suspitions and respect you perspective. I would guess that the sum of my fighting experience excedes the sum of the rest of the posters to this thread, perhaps the entire forum, in depth and breadth.
I don't care how good of a fighter you are, don't start being a wise ass to us. Many of us are probably great fighters with lots of training and years of practice but at least we don't go around the forum bragging about it.

You are also new to this forum so show some respect
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You guessed wrong
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I understand you suspitions and respect you perspective. I would guess that the sum of my fighting experience excedes the sum of the rest of the posters to this thread, perhaps the entire forum, in depth and breadth.

I trained at Machado Jiu Jitsu for three years this involved much exposure to wrestling and Judo as many champions would come to train in BJJ.

I have three pro fights, five amatuer fights and competed in several Dog Bros stick fighting matches as well .

I studied Muay Thai at the IMB, and Emerald Mongoose in addition to training with Tony Messenger and Thin Kong.

I have trained in boxing with four previously professional boxers. I trained with many excellent wrestlers and sparred for thousands of hours.

I trained in MMA with many midwest competators including Jeremy Horn, Jesse Jones, Joe Riggs, Jens Pulver, and Pat Militech in Nebraska and Iowa.

I trained with Ricco Rodrigues and Fabiano Iha in LA.

I trained with Kawini Mau Mau and Sonny in Hawaii and grappled with some of BJ Penns students.

I have studied and took formal classes, sparred and competed in TKD, Hapkido, Shotokan.

I have extensive involvement with the Kansas Highway Patrol and their developement of training.

Does this alleviat your concerns?
Yep.
You have considerable experience and that's awesome. In that case does your original question refer to sport based MMA competition or general all round self defence?? If it was sport based I would probabyl say MT and BJJ. Only because I have done MT for about 10 years so can say I know the style pretty well and BJJ because of it's obvious success in MMA competition. This is personal preference mind you and totally understand should someone choose different options such as boxing, wrestling, Sambo, Pancrase etc.

If your question referred to all round self defence then I would say MT and a reality based system. My personal opinion in ground fighting is overrated for street combat.....personal opinion and not and dig at BJJ.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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I understand you suspitions and respect you perspective. I would guess that the sum of my fighting experience excedes the sum of the rest of the posters to this thread, perhaps the entire forum, in depth and breadth.

I trained at Machado Jiu Jitsu for three years this involved much exposure to wrestling and Judo as many champions would come to train in BJJ.

I have three pro fights, five amatuer fights and competed in several Dog Bros stick fighting matches as well .

I studied Muay Thai at the IMB, and Emerald Mongoose in addition to training with Tony Messenger and Thin Kong.

I have trained in boxing with four previously professional boxers. I trained with many excellent wrestlers and sparred for thousands of hours.

I trained in MMA with many midwest competators including Jeremy Horn, Jesse Jones, Joe Riggs, Jens Pulver, and Pat Militech in Nebraska and Iowa.

I trained with Ricco Rodrigues and Fabiano Iha in LA.

I trained with Kawini Mau Mau and Sonny in Hawaii and grappled with some of BJ Penns students.

I have studied and took formal classes, sparred and competed in TKD, Hapkido, Shotokan.

I have extensive involvement with the Kansas Highway Patrol and their developement of training.

Does this alleviat your concerns?
That's a helluva background, Rebiu.
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