If you had only three finishes...

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by blitz

I believe that's called an arm triangle.

It's called both actually....

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

While those are my favorite finishes as well...they are all one target, thats what my first post was referring to...what if you cant access his neck or throat?

Finishes for 3 different targets improves the chances of finding a target. Diversify...

I have my favorite targets. Obviously the seven little bones in the neck are up there on the list along with other vital systems in that general location.

Knee destructions are good. A decent throw will FINISH some guys but a favorite of three would have to be a choke.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Sounds good, Tree.

Here's the description of the side choke:

side choke
your opponent throws a straight punch at your face. You slip outside and close immediately with his arm over your shoulder. The hand closest to your opponent, hooks around his neck (crook of the bicep should be wrapped around the side of his neck) and you grab that hand with your free hand (hands clasped - not interlaced). By squeezing with your arms you pin his free arm to his head keep the pressure on the side of his neck and keep your head almost ear to ear.

That's the best description I can give.

You can also set it up with an arm and collar lock like you would in free-style wrestling or like what sometimes happens in a street fight lock up. Change levels like you are moving down in the lock up, but come up instead, come down again (your opponent thinks its a passive move) and you pop up his elbow with the palm of your hand, shoot in under his elbow coming up just behind his armpit. Your inside arm is in position to wrap around the neck and your free hand can squeeze and secure the choke.

* - Do not practice this move without the assistance of a qualified instructor.

This may sound good in theory to the unexperienced. It will not work against an active opponent because he will move before you can lock him up. The side headlock choke from the ground is effective but not from standing. Using the side headlock throw and then working to sink the choke in once on the ground is effective though.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

In that case, from guard-keylock, from side control-kimura, and from mount/knee on belly, armbar.

Please clarify guard-keylock. You mention Kimura that is not what you mean. The keylock from mount, in my experience is not viable from the guard please explain in detail.

side control-kimura is a nice one. Do you know these three variations.
1. Lean back on you hip and force the arm up his back ala Sakuraba.
2. The second is the same except you throw you leg over his head.
3. The third involves stradling his head on you knees and squeezing is as you pull him onto his side and finish with a series of moves to break his grip on his gi.

knee on belly-armbar I like this one two. I assume you mean the armbar on the far arm when they try to push on you knee.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

This may sound good in theory to the unexperienced. It will not work against an active opponent because he will move before you can lock him up. The side headlock choke from the ground is effective but not from standing. Using the side headlock throw and then working to sink the choke in once on the ground is effective though.

I've pulled the side choke off in sparring against a fighter that pressed forward alot and did not use alot of lateral movement.

I've also pulled it off when locking up in a clinch, set up from a duck under.

[Garland]

Hey Rebiu...did you neg rep me for one of my posts on here...being pissy about my other thread? Didn't even sign it, did you...? How chickenshit.

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

Please clarify guard-keylock. You mention Kimura that is not what you mean. The keylock from mount, in my experience is not viable from the guard please explain in detail.

side control-kimura is a nice one. Do you know these three variations.
1. Lean back on you hip and force the arm up his back ala Sakuraba.
2. The second is the same except you throw you leg over his head.
3. The third involves stradling his head on you knees and squeezing is as you pull him onto his side and finish with a series of moves to break his grip on his gi.

knee on belly-armbar I like this one two. I assume you mean the armbar on the far arm when they try to push on you knee.

Actually you can use a key lock or americana grip in the gaurd as well. Its a little harder to get, but if you do get it, you can sweep them with ease, and you already have it for when your mounted.

If they are on top grabbing your collar (easier to visualize in gi). with their right hand. You need to put your right hand under their arm and grab the wrist. Then weave your left arm through and grab your own hand, then you can sweep with relative ease.

Or a much simpler version if you have no idea what I'm talking about (really poor description on my part), take a americana from mount, and roll to gaurd, you can keep the grip and see how you can get it from gaurd.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by Garland

Hey Rebiu...did you neg rep me for one of my posts on here...being pissy about my other thread? Didn't even sign it, did you...? How chickenshit.

I have not even looked into how to neg rep. I was surprised that someone took issue with that post myself.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Actually you can use a key lock or americana grip in the gaurd as well. Its a little harder to get, but if you do get it, you can sweep them with ease, and you already have it for when your mounted.

If they are on top grabbing your collar (easier to visualize in gi). with their right hand. You need to put your right hand under their arm and grab the wrist. Then weave your left arm through and grab your own hand, then you can sweep with relative ease.

Or a much simpler version if you have no idea what I'm talking about (really poor description on my part), take a americana from mount, and roll to gaurd, you can keep the grip and see how you can get it from gaurd.

I understand. I will have to try it out when I roll next.

[Rebiu]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I've pulled the side choke off in sparring against a fighter that pressed forward alot and did not use alot of lateral movement.

I've also pulled it off when locking up in a clinch, set up from a duck under.

If you are making it work then I cannot argue with success.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Rebiu

If you are making it work then I cannot argue with success.

Its easier to pull off when your opponent consistantly moves forward and you can slip a shot to the outside. Its damn near impossible to pull off against a guy with really good footwork or a defensive fighter who waits or who fires and back steps alot.

[blitz]

Originally Posted by Garland

Hey Rebiu...did you neg rep me for one of my posts on here...being pissy about my other thread? Didn't even sign it, did you...? How chickenshit.

Wow.. sorry that was really sad. Do you care that much about rep?

[Garland]

Originally Posted by blitz

Wow.. sorry that was really sad. Do you care that much about rep?

My ego and my ever dwindling self esteem do... :sad: