If you had only three finishes...

**gregimotis** · 02-02-2007, 12:45 PM

What three would you learn? Why? Describe them for us as best you can.

-Ground-n-Pound doesn't count as a 'finish', even if it does work pretty good-

I suggest figure-four should be on the list because it can be applied from almost any position with only slight variations.
It's hard to describe on paper, but there are many videos on the web breaking it down

The knee bar should be included, because it comes up so often in the course of a roll - if you don't know it, you'll miss a lot of opportunities and get caught.

The third is harder - either the armbar or the guillotine. Both come up often enough... Somebody please argue with me, I'm trying to help a fellow member get started.

Tom Yum · 02-02-2007, 12:57 PM

Lapel Choke (lots of variations).
Not many people know how to properly escape it other than just striking. If they bring their arms up to resist, you can transition to other moves involving their arms...

Side Choke (lots of variations)
Another choke that can be done while standing up or on the ground. I've found myself randomly ending up into perfect position to do a side choke while rolling. For stand-up side chokes, you can set it up with a duck under after locking up or even slipping a straight punch to the face.

Armbar
Both the standing armbar as a restraining hold, a break or the finishing armbar from the ground. Any time your opponent gives you an arm is an opportunity for an armbar: a punch, a push, a grab attempt etc.

Jiu-fu fighter · 02-02-2007, 01:13 PM

I am particularly fond of the triangle choke, guy is on top throws an arm forwards, catch and pull, throw legs over, lock in choke,
valuable for blood choke, and/or arm bar
Also triangle from mount is a good one

Guillotine from standing or on ground.

blitz · 02-02-2007, 01:30 PM

Triangle
Armbar
RNC

**gregimotis** · 02-02-2007, 02:22 PM

Lapel chokes - yes, I overlooked that in my list. Set up from anywhere, lots of variations and they can be used to help manipulate the opponent (turn him over, and whatnot)

Tom Yum · 02-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregimotis

Lapel chokes - yes, I overlooked that in my list. Set up from anywhere, lots of variations and they can be used to help manipulate the opponent (turn him over, and whatnot)

Learn a concept and practice it live under several variations.

**Hardball** · 02-02-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregimotis

I suggest figure-four should be on the list because it can be applied from almost any position with only slight variations.
It's hard to describe on paper, but there are many videos on the web breaking it down
.

The figure 4 is very very easy to reverse; if you know how.

**Hardball** · 02-02-2007, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregimotis

Lapel chokes - yes, I overlooked that in my list. Set up from anywhere, lots of variations and they can be used to help manipulate the opponent (turn him over, and whatnot)

Yea, but nobody wears ghi's in competition anymore. I am assuming you are talking about MMA.

Tom Yum · 02-02-2007, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardball

Yea, but nobody wears ghi's in competition anymore. I am assuming you are talking about MMA.

I thought he was just talking about a general case because jackets, coats or solid material will work. Even a t-shirt will work - except if its cheap material, then it'll rip.

DickHardman · 02-02-2007, 03:40 PM

the figure four, armbar from guard, and basic lapel choke are pretty much the first finishers you learn in bjj.

Garland · 02-02-2007, 03:44 PM

RNC, Guillotine, Triangle.

**gregimotis** · 02-02-2007, 04:28 PM

I was talking mostly about sport grappling.
I wasn't being specific about gi vs. no-gi because I'm interested in different people's opinions so didn't want to limit it too much.

**gregimotis** · 02-02-2007, 04:33 PM

So, not a lot of votes for knee bar/ankle lock/heel hooks then? I find especially when things are slippery, people often find themselves in ankle lock/heel hook wars... Not everybody's experience?

**Hardball** · 02-02-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregimotis

So, not a lot of votes for knee bar/ankle lock/heel hooks then? I find especially when things are slippery, people often find themselves in ankle lock/heel hook wars... Not everybody's experience?

Depending on the rules, you gotta watch out for the other foot. You could be on the receiving end of a very nasty thrust kick.

BoarSpear · 02-02-2007, 05:46 PM

"If you had only 3 finishes" You would be severely limited....you know what they say.... 1 is none, 2 is one....

02-02-2007, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	If you had only three finishes... What three would you learn? Why? Describe them for us as best you can. -Ground-n-Pound doesn't count as a 'finish', even if it does work pretty good- I suggest figure-four should be on the list because it can be applied from almost any position with only slight variations. It's hard to describe on paper, but there are many videos on the web breaking it down The knee bar should be included, because it comes up so often in the course of a roll - if you don't know it, you'll miss a lot of opportunities and get caught. The third is harder - either the armbar or the guillotine. Both come up often enough... Somebody please argue with me, I'm trying to help a fellow member get started. __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

02-02-2007, 12:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Lapel Choke (lots of variations). Not many people know how to properly escape it other than just striking. If they bring their arms up to resist, you can transition to other moves involving their arms... Side Choke (lots of variations) Another choke that can be done while standing up or on the ground. I've found myself randomly ending up into perfect position to do a side choke while rolling. For stand-up side chokes, you can set it up with a duck under after locking up or even slipping a straight punch to the face. Armbar Both the standing armbar as a restraining hold, a break or the finishing armbar from the ground. Any time your opponent gives you an arm is an opportunity for an armbar: a punch, a push, a grab attempt etc. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it. Last edited by Tom Yum; 02-02-2007 at 02:46 PM.

02-02-2007, 01:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jiu-fu fighter Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 291	I am particularly fond of the triangle choke, guy is on top throws an arm forwards, catch and pull, throw legs over, lock in choke, valuable for blood choke, and/or arm bar Also triangle from mount is a good one Guillotine from standing or on ground. __________________ My strength resolves in the mind, once I have made up my mind nothing is too far from me. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands in times of trial and controversy" Martin Luther King Jr.

02-02-2007, 02:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	Lapel chokes - yes, I overlooked that in my list. Set up from anywhere, lots of variations and they can be used to help manipulate the opponent (turn him over, and whatnot) __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

02-02-2007, 03:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Garland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 4,980	RNC, Guillotine, Triangle. __________________ homo homini lupus

02-02-2007, 01:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
blitz Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Home Posts: 1,045	Triangle Armbar RNC

02-02-2007, 03:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	the figure four, armbar from guard, and basic lapel choke are pretty much the first finishers you learn in bjj.

02-02-2007, 04:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	I was talking mostly about sport grappling. I wasn't being specific about gi vs. no-gi because I'm interested in different people's opinions so didn't want to limit it too much. __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

02-02-2007, 04:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,987	So, not a lot of votes for knee bar/ankle lock/heel hooks then? I find especially when things are slippery, people often find themselves in ankle lock/heel hook wars... Not everybody's experience? __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

02-02-2007, 05:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
BoarSpear Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,729	"If you had only 3 finishes" You would be severely limited....you know what they say.... 1 is none, 2 is one....

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