New Karo Parisyan video on throws

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

YouTube - Karo On Throws

Awesome vid.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Very nice find.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I've been watching the video and I can't seem to figure out where his reaping leg for the uchi mata is being placed. Is he reaping the opponent's inner thigh with his or is it going straight up under his hip/right next to his jewels?

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

this guy cracks me up: "if i can do it anyone can do it" and "i don't have very good throws"

I can't get enough of Karo, the fluidity of his technique is downright inspiring to watch, thanks for the vid triangle.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

I've been watching the video and I can't seem to figure out where his reaping leg for the uchi mata is being placed. Is he reaping the opponent's inner thigh with his or is it going straight up under his hip/right next to his jewels?

if you looked it up in a judo textbook it would be reaping the opponent's inner thigh just like you said (uchi mata means "inner thigh"). i throw my uchi mata thigh to thigh, but it is much more of a sweeping takedown the way i do it, i don't get nearly the kind of lift Karo, or any good judoka, gets.
uchi mata is a hard one to pin down. you could watch a hundred guys do it a hundred times and you'd probably come out more confused than you were to begin with. guys will contact the leg anywhere from up almost to the crotch almost down to the ankles. sometimes, like one of the ones Karo throws here, it doesn't even look like the leg touches and it's just a plain hip throw, or even like he's attacking the inside of the opposite leg like a hane goshi.
anyway, to address the vid directly, the first one he executes is the easiest to see what he's doing. the back right side of his thigh contacts the inside of the other guy's thigh relatively high up, maybe 3/4's of the way. notice that Karo's leg is not straight as it sweeps back, but straightens a little once his opponent's weight is up, which acts to kinda hitch him up even further onto Karo's hip, while at the same time Karo is turning into the throw. at that point, it's not much different from any hip throw.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by The_Judo_Jibboo

if you looked it up in a judo textbook it would be reaping the opponent's inner thigh just like you said (uchi mata means "inner thigh"). i throw my uchi mata thigh to thigh, but it is much more of a sweeping takedown the way i do it, i don't get nearly the kind of lift Karo, or any good judoka, gets.
uchi mata is a hard one to pin down. you could watch a hundred guys do it a hundred times and you'd probably come out more confused than you were to begin with. guys will contact the leg anywhere from up almost to the crotch almost down to the ankles. sometimes, like one of the ones Karo throws here, it doesn't even look like the leg touches and it's just a plain hip throw, or even like he's attacking the inside of the opposite leg like a hane goshi.
anyway, to address the vid directly, the first one he executes is the easiest to see what he's doing. the back right side of his thigh contacts the inside of the other guy's thigh relatively high up, maybe 3/4's of the way. notice that Karo's leg is not straight as it sweeps back, but straightens a little once his opponent's weight is up, which acts to kinda hitch him up even further onto Karo's hip, while at the same time Karo is turning into the throw. at that point, it's not much different from any hip throw.

Thanks for the reply. I never really understood uchi mata. I managed to figure out harai goshi from watching it online and playing around with it, probably due to my wrestling background. The part about uchi mata that always confused me was whether to reap low on the thigh (like harai goshi) or higher up. I guess from your post it seems the most important part is to get your hips underneath there and your leg just kinda stops him from following you as you bring him around.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

I guess from your post it seems the most important part is to get your hips underneath there and your leg just kinda stops him from following you as you bring him around.

your leg does help lift, but that's a good way to think about it. man, uchi mata is even harder to describe in words than most judo throws. but if you have a wrestling background you've got the understanding of leverage and center of gravity that you need, so working on it with a buddy you should be able to get the basic idea and make it work for you.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

To me, it just looks like a hip throw with your one leg in between theirs'.

The other vid i posted with Aoki showing the Uchimata, it looked like he made contact with the guys OTHER thigh(still on the inside of the thigh). Karo made contact with the thigh your normal supposed to do it against.

This is definitely one of the coolest throws though. Ive done one in practice before but it was nothing like the one in the video. I just drove him down to his side after whizzering hard.

I think the key to this throw is having them hook outside one of your legs, stepping IN close with your back foot(the foot thats planted) and completing the hip throw while ramming you upper thigh in between their legs.

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

To me, it just looks like a hip throw with your one leg in between theirs'.

The other vid i posted with Aoki showing the Uchimata, it looked like he made contact with the guys OTHER thigh(still on the inside of the thigh). Karo made contact with the thigh your normal supposed to do it against.

This is definitely one of the coolest throws though. Ive done one in practice before but it was nothing like the one in the video. I just drove him down to his side after whizzering hard.

I think the key to this throw is having them hook outside one of your legs, stepping IN close with your back foot(the foot thats planted) and completing the hip throw while ramming you upper thigh in between their legs.

It's really not a hip throw though, the kuzushi, movements, everything.... its got some of the same principles, but also very different ones.

Also you said the key is that they hook outside one of your legs, thats really only necessary for the kosotogake counter uchimata. People throw uchimata all the time without anyone hooking their leg, you can be uchimata'd just standing there, trying to uchi mata someone, trying to osoto gari someone, trying to DOUBLE LEG someone (dont ask me how he did it, I was still in the about the middle of the shot, one knee on the ground, other having posted up about to turn the corner and run the double).

It's such a ridiculous throw, I like Harai Goshi better though, its more spectacular, and in some cases easier to get.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

It's really not a hip throw though, the kuzushi, movements, everything.... its got some of the same principles, but also very different ones.

Also you said the key is that they hook outside one of your legs, thats really only necessary for the kosotogake counter uchimata. People throw uchimata all the time without anyone hooking their leg, you can be uchimata'd just standing there, trying to uchi mata someone, trying to osoto gari someone, trying to DOUBLE LEG someone (dont ask me how he did it, I was still in the about the middle of the shot, one knee on the ground, other having posted up about to turn the corner and run the double).

It's such a ridiculous throw, I like Harai Goshi better though, its more spectacular, and in some cases easier to get.

I think its safest to use as a counter though. If youre unsuccessful trying to hit it, your opponent is already on your side in great position for a bodylock takedown. I guess if you miss the Uchi Mata you can go for an inside trip or something.....

The Harai Goshi is really flashy. I think THAT is more like a Hip throw where you just flick your leg up really fast generating more power. If you hit that in a match or just even practice, it'll leave you feeling good for days. The one Sergei Kharitonov hit on Murilo Ninja was really nice. I cant wait to do Judo in the future.

[SamuraiGuy]

Actually if you attempt uchimata, to the point where you've got your leg up and lifting their thigh, but not being able to throw them, you can usually get back to a neutral position, or if your smart, finish it in such another smooth smooth way.

For instance you kick that leg up, and they just arent going over, drop your leg and put it behind the foot thats on the ground, now just push them over that foot.

Voila. Works like a charm, although sometimes it doesnt, so even better, just drop your reaping leg behidn the foot as in before, and pick the ankle, now they arereally going over.

Think about it, it's one of the simplest best fucking takedowns you can get.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Actually if you attempt uchimata, to the point where you've got your leg up and lifting their thigh, but not being able to throw them, you can usually get back to a neutral position, or if your smart, finish it in such another smooth smooth way.

For instance you kick that leg up, and they just arent going over, drop your leg and put it behind the foot thats on the ground, now just push them over that foot.

if i'm reading it right, you beat me to the combo i was going to recommend it's an uchi mata into a tai otoshi. the kuzushi of the tai otoshi is one of the harder ones, but as you said if you get that foot down quick enough from the uchi mata you've already got it, they're overextended and on one foot, all it takes is a little extra tug with the left hand and push with the right and bingo.

one of the brown belts in my class destroys with this in competitions (within the class not so much, cause we all know it's his favorite)

it's probably obvious, but the most important part is to be sure you catch that leg initially. even if you can't get them over, you're in a much better position with all kinds of options as long as you've got their leg higher than yours. but if you miss with that leg as it's coming back (usually this happens if they see it coming and just scoot the leg out of the way) it's one of the absolute easiest things to counter. you've got one leg in the air like an idiot, leaning forward, your opponent makes a slight twisting motion with their hands (think turning a steering wheel) and you're on the ground as quick as that

[JaredExtreme]

I love Karo's fights because of the throws. During stand up I am looking to throw first, then I'll use wrestling doubles or singles as a back up.

It's kind of funny, at the end of the tape it looks like the people don't even know how to fall correctly. I think one of the great things about Judo, even if you only do it a short amount of time like I did, is one of the first lessons you learn in Judo is how to fall, which is a very useful skill !

[SamuraiGuy]

Originally Posted by The_Judo_Jibboo

if i'm reading it right, you beat me to the combo i was going to recommend it's an uchi mata into a tai otoshi. the kuzushi of the tai otoshi is one of the harder ones, but as you said if you get that foot down quick enough from the uchi mata you've already got it, they're overextended and on one foot, all it takes is a little extra tug with the left hand and push with the right and bingo.

one of the brown belts in my class destroys with this in competitions (within the class not so much, cause we all know it's his favorite)

it's probably obvious, but the most important part is to be sure you catch that leg initially. even if you can't get them over, you're in a much better position with all kinds of options as long as you've got their leg higher than yours. but if you miss with that leg as it's coming back (usually this happens if they see it coming and just scoot the leg out of the way) it's one of the absolute easiest things to counter. you've got one leg in the air like an idiot, leaning forward, your opponent makes a slight twisting motion with their hands (think turning a steering wheel) and you're on the ground as quick as that

Unfortunately you didnt read it right, but thats another very very good combo.

Its simply you drop your reaping leg and put it behind the heel of your opponents foot. So if originally you lifted their left leg up, with your right leg, you would then put your right foot, behind their right heel, then you reach down and pick the ankle (ankle pick), at around the achilles, simply pushing them over from here, because they are already off balance.

Tai Otoshi is another amazing throw, and I love it as a hands throw, one of my favorite judo combos is a Ouchi-Gari to Tai Otoshi. You try for the ouchi, and if they defend by getting their leg back, that forward leg is right there, you switch your stance, your hips are already out (tai otoshi is a hands throw and you DONT want your hips close for this one, for nayone who doesnt know).

BAM!

One of my fourth dan instructors could hit Tai-Otoshi at a moment's notice from just about anywhere, it was ridiculous, it was his favorite throw.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Unfortunately you didnt read it right, but thats another very very good combo.

Its simply you drop your reaping leg and put it behind the heel of your opponents foot. So if originally you lifted their left leg up, with your right leg, you would then put your right foot, behind their right heel, then you reach down and pick the ankle (ankle pick), at around the achilles, simply pushing them over from here, because they are already off balance.

ah i gotcha, i haven't seen that precisely but very similar picks when other throws just aren't working out, very cool