Mma Media Top 10 - March

whaledog · 03-05-2001, 04:50 PM

MMA MEDIA TOP 1O POLL
Released March 5th, 2001

BANTAMWEIGHTS 154.9 & under (70.3 kg & under)

1. Pulver, Jens (12) 156
2. Uno, Kauro 126
3. Nogueira, Alexandre (4) 118
4. Thomas, Din (1) 101
5. Sato, Rumina 73
6. Gomi, Takanori 65
7. Hallman, Dennis 59
8. Mishima, D. 46
9. Gracie, Royler 33
10. Uematsu, Naoya 27

Other fighters receiving votes: Bow, Ryan; Roque, J Barbosa; Franca "Cromado"; Yoshida, Barret; Lewis, John; Mamoru; Murahama, Takehiro

LIGHTWEIGHTS 155 to 169.9 (70.3 kg to 77.1 kg)

1. Sakurai, Hayato (11) 151
2. Menne, Dave (5) 136
3. Landi-Jons, Jose "Pele" 106
4. Miletich, Pat 104
5. Hughes, Matt 81
5. Newton, Carlos 81
7. Trigg, Frank 75
8. Iha, Fabiano 57
9. Kato, Tetsuji 30
10. Tamura, Kiyoshi 11

Other fighters receiving votes: Hurley, Joe; Sudo, Genki; Clark, Laverne; Cook, Alex; Kawakatsu, Shogun; Nakao, Jutaro

MIDDLEWEIGHTS 170 to 199.9 (77.1 kg to 90.7 kg)

1. Sakuraba, Kazushi (10) 150
1. Tito Ortiz (6) 150
3. Silva, Vanderlei 122
4. Shamrock, Frank 108
5. Henderson, Dan 73
6. Gracie, Renzo 47
7. Sinosic, Elvis 34
8. Goes, Allan 33
9. Belfort, Vitor 30
10. Horn, Jeremy 26

Other fighters receiving votes: Tanner. Evan; Liddell, Chuck; Bustamante, Murilo; Gracie, Rickson; Mezger, Guy; Almeida, Ricardo

HEAVYWEIGHTS 200 & up (90.7 kg and Higher)

1. Vovchanchin, Igor (9) 142
2. Coleman, Mark (5) 139
3. Rizzo, Pedro (2) 120
4. Couture, Randy 96
5. Nogueira, Rodrigo "Minotauro" (1) 78
6. Fujita, Kazuyuki 64
7. Kerr, Mark 49
8. Randleman, Kevin 49
9. Herring, Heath 42
10. Overeem, Valentijn 27

Other fighters receiving votes: Barnett, Josh; Sobral, Renato "Babalú"; Williams, Pete; Kosaka, Tsuyoshi; Schilt, Semmy; Yvel, Gilbert; Rodriguez, Ricco

POUND FOR POUND

1. Sakuraba, Kazushi 141
2. Sakurai, Hayato 111
3. Ortiz, Tito 104
4. Vovchanchin, Igor 74
5. Coleman, Mark 54
5. Shamrock, Frank 54
7. Nogiera, Alexandre 53
7. Pulver, Jens 53
9. Silva, Vanderlei 46
10. Menne, Dave 43

Voters who participated on the March Poll:

Andreh Anderson (USA) - news.adcombat.com
Marcello Alonso (BRAZIL) - Tatame Magazine
Ryan Graham (USA) - Fighters Database - http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/G.../database.html
Josh Gross (USA) - Full Contact Fighter Magazine
Josh Hedges (USA) - www.ufighting.com
Stephen Quadros (USA) - MMA Broadcaster/Writer - http://www.stephenquadros.com/
Jake Rossen (USA) - www.ign.com
Sean Shelby (USA) - www.grapplersworld.com
Jeff Sherwood (USA) - www.sherdog.com
Jeff Thaler (USA) - Freelance MMA writer
Yoshinori Ihara (JAPAN) - www.Boutreview.com
Hideto Ida (JAPAN) - www.Boutreview.com
Hidetake "Shimauo" Hirashima (JAPAN) - Shooto World Network - http://www.shooto.net/en.htm
Anthony Lynch (USA) - Freelance MMA Writer
Marcel Ramkhelawan (NETHERLANDS) - De Aktueel
James Poole (ENGLAND) - www.sfuk.net

03-05-2001, 11:21 PM

Where is Kareem Barklaev? Didn't he defeat Pele in the Kuwait tournament? I would put him at #3 Lightweight.

And, um, Coleman should be ranked ahead of Igor.

Otherwise, I agree with most of these numbers.

MEB Boy · 03-06-2001, 12:13 AM

I think their lists are pretty accurate. But I'd like to see Cacareco in either the bottom half of the top 10 of the middleweights or as an honorable mention. Also, Pete Williams should be in the top 10 heavyweights. What happened to Carlos Barretto?

Does anyone have any info about about Rich Franklin? He's a heavyweight, about 6'3" tall and 225 lbs, in very good shape w/ overall good skills. He's looked impressive in the latter Extreme Challenge tournaments.
He KO'd the Iron Bear Gary Meyerss w/ a head kick. Rich was really hard to take down in that fight. WHat's his record? He looks like a B+ fighter ready to make a name for himself IMHO.

MEB Boy

fil · 03-07-2001, 06:52 PM

Barkaleav weighs about 200 pounds. The Kuwait tornament was originaly supose to be a lightwieght (about 185 pound limit) but the weight limit was changed to 90 kilos (198 pounds) and Barkaleav still had to cut weight to reach under the limit.

"Cacareco" Ferreira last fight he was submited by Kanehara in RINGS. Kanehara is a good fighter that is considered one of the best Japaneese middlewights after Sakuraba and Tamura, he has KO win over Overeem (aka the guy that submited Couture in Rings) and Dave Menne.

Pete Williams needs to fight a "name" oponent. While a quick win over Roger Neff was impresive he needs to fight a recognizable name in order for him to regain the status of a top 10 fighter in the minds of most people.

Carlos Barreto lost a decision to Australian Chris Haseman RINGS. Haseman used his better standup to dominate Barreto. Barreto fights next on the 2hot2Handle card in Holland against Yvel.

Rich Franklin fights on the RINGS USA card on March 17 against Travis Fulton. A good test for the newcomer.

THe biggest error in the rankings is putting Tamura in the lightwight division despite that he fights at 195 to 205 pounds.

03-07-2001, 07:26 PM

Thanks fil, for enlightening me.

It is ridiculous that Barklaev was allowed to beat on all those little guys! A freaking 200-pounder!

Did he take Pele's lunch money as well?

Ridiculous.

tuffguy · 03-08-2001, 01:57 PM

What the hell is Tmaura doing on the lightweight list? He's close to 200 lbs. He is always listed at 88kg in his fights, which works out to 193.6 lbs.

Hookah Smokin Caterpillar · 03-08-2001, 05:09 PM

I'm not into lists, but at least this one doesn't have Coleman ranked #1. Just because he beat Igor in a tournament almost a year ago, doesn't mean he's the best now. Igor had just had a fight and Coleman didn't. As little of an advantage as that may sound; when fighters of that skill level go at each other, any little advantage helps. I demand a rematch!

Mik_36 · 03-09-2001, 02:53 PM

I agree with this list, I personally think Igor Vovchanchin is the best out there, for right now. Just because he had a tough fight against Coleman, that doesn't change my mind, everyone here knows that nobody is going to be on every time out.

Newbie · 03-10-2001, 03:55 PM

There is something I can't figure out. Vanderlei Silva and Frank Shamrock are both Middleweights that weigh around 200 pounds when they fight. Vanderlei Silva is ranked #3 and Frank Shamrock is ranked #4 in the Middleweight rankings. However, Frank Shamrock is ranked higher than Vanderlei Silva on the pound for pound ratings. He is listed at #5, while Silva is listed at #9.

keithws · 03-10-2001, 08:37 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Pele weighed around 190 lbs for the Kuwait tourney, so the size disparity wasn't as great as it seems.

Pele's a tough mofo in the lightweight category, but gets served everytime he steps up in weight. Liddell beat him down in IVC. The fight wasn't even close!

Carloa barreto had a very poor performance against Hasslemen in Rings. Fil was not mistaken. Barreto was dominated from start to finish. Kind of odd considering that barreto defended against Vov's standup, yet he ate punches/ kicks from Hasslemen through out the fight.

Overall, I think the rankings are pretty accurate. I definitely think pete williams will regain his top ten status.

later.....

whaledog · 03-12-2001, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tuffguy
What the hell is Tmaura doing on the lightweight list? He's close to 200 lbs. He is always listed at 88kg in his fights, which works out to 193.6 lbs.

You're right, Tamura should be a middleweight. The poll is new, and there are still a few kinks to work out. But, we'll have him in the right category next month.

-Jeff

Hawk · 03-12-2001, 04:44 PM

I'd like to see M. Coleman and Igor V. again. Coleman had the easiest first & second fight in the tournament. Igor took some real hard shots from Big Daddy and had a real tough fight with Sak. I'm not saying Mark wouldn't beat him again, however before I'd rank Coleman first over Igor I'd want to see it with both fighter's fresh. Coleman has lost 3 fights (not counting Takada, too much controversy) He obviously lost the decision to Mo but IMO was ahead or even until 3/4 through the fight,
He was ahead of Pete on points when he got nailed in OT, and IMO he beat Rizzo so he's been in every fight he's fought. Igor V. has fought and defeated the best.
I'm surprised Pride hasn't set this up.
Hawk

03-12-2001, 04:53 PM

Hawk:

Good question.

Pride's politics are an unfathomable mystery to me. My best guess is that Igor has a "Tyson-like" reputation right now which would be damaged by a second loss to Coleman.

In fact, Coleman may be the only man under contract to Pride who can beat Igor (Sak maybe?). I would guess they want to milk this one as long as possible.

Hawk · 03-12-2001, 04:58 PM

You're probably right Ronin. I feel Sak would have a lot of problems with a fresh Igor. Believe me, Igor got nailed
with a heck of a shot by Goodridge. IMO he wasn't 100%
against Sak or Coleman.
Hawk

03-08-2001, 05:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hookah Smokin Caterpillar Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 393 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not into lists, but at least this one doesn't have Coleman ranked #1. Just because he beat Igor in a tournament almost a year ago, doesn't mean he's the best now. Igor had just had a fight and Coleman didn't. As little of an advantage as that may sound; when fighters of that skill level go at each other, any little advantage helps. I demand a rematch! __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see, Its getting hard to be someone but it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me..." - Lennon, John

03-10-2001, 08:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
keithws Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 221 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If I'm not mistaken, Pele weighed around 190 lbs for the Kuwait tourney, so the size disparity wasn't as great as it seems. Pele's a tough mofo in the lightweight category, but gets served everytime he steps up in weight. Liddell beat him down in IVC. The fight wasn't even close! Carloa barreto had a very poor performance against Hasslemen in Rings. Fil was not mistaken. Barreto was dominated from start to finish. Kind of odd considering that barreto defended against Vov's standup, yet he ate punches/ kicks from Hasslemen through out the fight. Overall, I think the rankings are pretty accurate. I definitely think pete williams will regain his top ten status. later..... __________________ "As long as they stick with fighting BJJ world champions, the japanese will be fine."

03-12-2001, 04:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd like to see M. Coleman and Igor V. again. Coleman had the easiest first & second fight in the tournament. Igor took some real hard shots from Big Daddy and had a real tough fight with Sak. I'm not saying Mark wouldn't beat him again, however before I'd rank Coleman first over Igor I'd want to see it with both fighter's fresh. Coleman has lost 3 fights (not counting Takada, too much controversy) He obviously lost the decision to Mo but IMO was ahead or even until 3/4 through the fight, He was ahead of Pete on points when he got nailed in OT, and IMO he beat Rizzo so he's been in every fight he's fought. Igor V. has fought and defeated the best. I'm surprised Pride hasn't set this up. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

03-12-2001, 04:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You're probably right Ronin. I feel Sak would have a lot of problems with a fresh Igor. Believe me, Igor got nailed with a heck of a shot by Goodridge. IMO he wasn't 100% against Sak or Coleman. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

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03-05-2001, 04:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
whaledog Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MMA MEDIA TOP 1O POLL Released March 5th, 2001 BANTAMWEIGHTS 154.9 & under (70.3 kg & under) 1. Pulver, Jens (12) 156 2. Uno, Kauro 126 3. Nogueira, Alexandre (4) 118 4. Thomas, Din (1) 101 5. Sato, Rumina 73 6. Gomi, Takanori 65 7. Hallman, Dennis 59 8. Mishima, D. 46 9. Gracie, Royler 33 10. Uematsu, Naoya 27 Other fighters receiving votes: Bow, Ryan; Roque, J Barbosa; Franca "Cromado"; Yoshida, Barret; Lewis, John; Mamoru; Murahama, Takehiro LIGHTWEIGHTS 155 to 169.9 (70.3 kg to 77.1 kg) 1. Sakurai, Hayato (11) 151 2. Menne, Dave (5) 136 3. Landi-Jons, Jose "Pele" 106 4. Miletich, Pat 104 5. Hughes, Matt 81 5. Newton, Carlos 81 7. Trigg, Frank 75 8. Iha, Fabiano 57 9. Kato, Tetsuji 30 10. Tamura, Kiyoshi 11 Other fighters receiving votes: Hurley, Joe; Sudo, Genki; Clark, Laverne; Cook, Alex; Kawakatsu, Shogun; Nakao, Jutaro MIDDLEWEIGHTS 170 to 199.9 (77.1 kg to 90.7 kg) 1. Sakuraba, Kazushi (10) 150 1. Tito Ortiz (6) 150 3. Silva, Vanderlei 122 4. Shamrock, Frank 108 5. Henderson, Dan 73 6. Gracie, Renzo 47 7. Sinosic, Elvis 34 8. Goes, Allan 33 9. Belfort, Vitor 30 10. Horn, Jeremy 26 Other fighters receiving votes: Tanner. Evan; Liddell, Chuck; Bustamante, Murilo; Gracie, Rickson; Mezger, Guy; Almeida, Ricardo HEAVYWEIGHTS 200 & up (90.7 kg and Higher) 1. Vovchanchin, Igor (9) 142 2. Coleman, Mark (5) 139 3. Rizzo, Pedro (2) 120 4. Couture, Randy 96 5. Nogueira, Rodrigo "Minotauro" (1) 78 6. Fujita, Kazuyuki 64 7. Kerr, Mark 49 8. Randleman, Kevin 49 9. Herring, Heath 42 10. Overeem, Valentijn 27 Other fighters receiving votes: Barnett, Josh; Sobral, Renato "Babalú"; Williams, Pete; Kosaka, Tsuyoshi; Schilt, Semmy; Yvel, Gilbert; Rodriguez, Ricco POUND FOR POUND 1. Sakuraba, Kazushi 141 2. Sakurai, Hayato 111 3. Ortiz, Tito 104 4. Vovchanchin, Igor 74 5. Coleman, Mark 54 5. Shamrock, Frank 54 7. Nogiera, Alexandre 53 7. Pulver, Jens 53 9. Silva, Vanderlei 46 10. Menne, Dave 43 Voters who participated on the March Poll: Andreh Anderson (USA) - news.adcombat.com Marcello Alonso (BRAZIL) - Tatame Magazine Ryan Graham (USA) - Fighters Database - http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/G.../database.html Josh Gross (USA) - Full Contact Fighter Magazine Josh Hedges (USA) - www.ufighting.com Stephen Quadros (USA) - MMA Broadcaster/Writer - http://www.stephenquadros.com/ Jake Rossen (USA) - www.ign.com Sean Shelby (USA) - www.grapplersworld.com Jeff Sherwood (USA) - www.sherdog.com Jeff Thaler (USA) - Freelance MMA writer Yoshinori Ihara (JAPAN) - www.Boutreview.com Hideto Ida (JAPAN) - www.Boutreview.com Hidetake "Shimauo" Hirashima (JAPAN) - Shooto World Network - http://www.shooto.net/en.htm Anthony Lynch (USA) - Freelance MMA Writer Marcel Ramkhelawan (NETHERLANDS) - De Aktueel James Poole (ENGLAND) - www.sfuk.net

03-05-2001, 11:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	Where is Kareem Barklaev? Didn't he defeat Pele in the Kuwait tournament? I would put him at #3 Lightweight. And, um, Coleman should be ranked ahead of Igor. Otherwise, I agree with most of these numbers.

03-06-2001, 12:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
MEB Boy Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Hawaii-Texas Posts: 75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think their lists are pretty accurate. But I'd like to see Cacareco in either the bottom half of the top 10 of the middleweights or as an honorable mention. Also, Pete Williams should be in the top 10 heavyweights. What happened to Carlos Barretto? Does anyone have any info about about Rich Franklin? He's a heavyweight, about 6'3" tall and 225 lbs, in very good shape w/ overall good skills. He's looked impressive in the latter Extreme Challenge tournaments. He KO'd the Iron Bear Gary Meyerss w/ a head kick. Rich was really hard to take down in that fight. WHat's his record? He looks like a B+ fighter ready to make a name for himself IMHO. MEB Boy

03-07-2001, 06:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
fil Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 1,357 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barkaleav weighs about 200 pounds. The Kuwait tornament was originaly supose to be a lightwieght (about 185 pound limit) but the weight limit was changed to 90 kilos (198 pounds) and Barkaleav still had to cut weight to reach under the limit. "Cacareco" Ferreira last fight he was submited by Kanehara in RINGS. Kanehara is a good fighter that is considered one of the best Japaneese middlewights after Sakuraba and Tamura, he has KO win over Overeem (aka the guy that submited Couture in Rings) and Dave Menne. Pete Williams needs to fight a "name" oponent. While a quick win over Roger Neff was impresive he needs to fight a recognizable name in order for him to regain the status of a top 10 fighter in the minds of most people. Carlos Barreto lost a decision to Australian Chris Haseman RINGS. Haseman used his better standup to dominate Barreto. Barreto fights next on the 2hot2Handle card in Holland against Yvel. Rich Franklin fights on the RINGS USA card on March 17 against Travis Fulton. A good test for the newcomer. THe biggest error in the rankings is putting Tamura in the lightwight division despite that he fights at 195 to 205 pounds.

03-07-2001, 07:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks fil, for enlightening me. It is ridiculous that Barklaev was allowed to beat on all those little guys! A freaking 200-pounder! Did he take Pele's lunch money as well? Ridiculous.

03-08-2001, 01:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
tuffguy Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 69 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What the hell is Tmaura doing on the lightweight list? He's close to 200 lbs. He is always listed at 88kg in his fights, which works out to 193.6 lbs.

03-09-2001, 02:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mik_36 Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 138 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree with this list, I personally think Igor Vovchanchin is the best out there, for right now. Just because he had a tough fight against Coleman, that doesn't change my mind, everyone here knows that nobody is going to be on every time out.

03-10-2001, 03:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Newbie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 148 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is something I can't figure out. Vanderlei Silva and Frank Shamrock are both Middleweights that weigh around 200 pounds when they fight. Vanderlei Silva is ranked #3 and Frank Shamrock is ranked #4 in the Middleweight rankings. However, Frank Shamrock is ranked higher than Vanderlei Silva on the pound for pound ratings. He is listed at #5, while Silva is listed at #9.

03-12-2001, 04:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	Hawk: Good question. Pride's politics are an unfathomable mystery to me. My best guess is that Igor has a "Tyson-like" reputation right now which would be damaged by a second loss to Coleman. In fact, Coleman may be the only man under contract to Pride who can beat Igor (Sak maybe?). I would guess they want to milk this one as long as possible.

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