What type of guard do you preferr.

**Patterson** · 03-07-2001, 11:56 PM

What type of guard do you fags preferr and why? I like the butterfly guard because it doesn't look gay like a closed guard, but beyond that I have more of an immediate threat with sweeps. What I give up for by missing out on triangle and armbar opportunities I gain in chance to leglock and I think its easier to go for kimuras. Also its easier to get to my side and turn into my opponent. Against a good grappler with good passes I may use a closed guard.

**McLeod** · 03-08-2001, 01:03 AM

I prefer an aggressive guard. If I begin sitting back and trying to "bake" an opponent ( unless I am SEVERELY outweighed) then I feel a bit like I should LET the guy pound on me to get the point across that I should be doing something. I feel like constantly moving from a closed guard, to an open guard, to a butterfly or half butterfly, to a spider, etc... I like them all, but my main objective is to push them away so as to regain my feet, or sweep them. If those don't work within a couple minutes, then I'm looking for the Kimura.

**Triangle** · 03-08-2001, 08:33 AM

Rent-a-cops are cool.

**tuffguy** · 03-08-2001, 12:51 PM

Open guard is the way to go. Against someone good you're not going to do much with a closed guard.

**festiva** · 03-08-2001, 06:56 PM

butterfly guard is one of the best for people with short bodies closed guard and open guard work best for people with longer bodies in my opinion..

**sniper26** · 03-08-2001, 10:26 PM

Different guards work for different people, it is all how good you are at your system. I try to use all of them in training because you never know what you are going to see in the ring. The only disadvantage that I have seen with the butterfly guard is that you can't get the armlocks like you can in the traditional closed guard. I know you said that you gain the leg locks but it just seems to me that leglocks always end up in a big crap shoot most of the time. Don't get me wrong leg locks are very good but I just like to be comfortable and play the cards I am dealt. If you are fighting someone that is very good at passing the closed guard it is nice to be able to change styles to the butterfly. I like going up against a big meathead ground and pound wrestlers and use the butterfly guard because it keeps distance and sets up great for the armbars.

**Patterson** · 03-09-2001, 03:03 PM

75 people look at this post and 4 respond. No wonder this forum is so dead.

**Angel_of_Pain** · 03-09-2001, 03:18 PM

I dont like the guard but if i have to do one I'l be in closed guard, make sure my opponent is really close to me try to make him use is strenght and then boom a good choke or a triangle or a arm bar.

**TKOU** · 03-13-2001, 01:38 PM

Patterson,
Could you describe the "butterfly guard" please. I am unfamiliar with the term, maybe I know it but not by the same name. Thanks.
Personally I play fluid guard most of the time. I mean that I just constantly change which guard I am in trying to see which makes the top guy the most uncomfortable. If he is unhappy then my chance to catch him with something goes way up! The only reason to play guard is to catch him right

Peace.

**Triangle** · 03-13-2001, 04:34 PM

TKOU,

The butterfly guard is 2 hooks in or 2 elevators in...whatever you want to call them.

**hounddog** · 03-13-2001, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by sniper26
The only disadvantage that I have seen with the butterfly guard is that you can't get the armlocks like you can in the traditional closed guard

You must have missed the UFC where Jeremy Horn armbarred Jason Godsey from the butterfly guard. It was a nice one and you could see it coming from a mile away.

I know what you're saying though. It is easier to get an arm from closed guard.
-hounddog

**andreh anderson** · 03-14-2001, 06:00 AM

I also prefer the butterfly guard. I usually sweep rather than submit my opponent from the guard, so I like the many variations one has when they leave no space in the butterfly guard.