Tripping a low kicker

[jiuelie]

How do you best get a lowkicker on the ground?
High kicks are the easiest (if you don't get hit in the head), and middle kicks are fairly simple.
But if he's kicking low, how can you trip him?
Just sweep the support leg, and take the kick?
Or block it, then go for an inside leg trip / hip takedown/ ankle takedown/ head grab?

[bigred389]

If the other guy's footwork and recovery aren't the greatest, I find it better to try to close the distance as he recovers from the kick. Then clinch, throw, knee, whatever.

Kicking out the supporting leg would be nice, but it's not always so easy to pull off.

Oh yeah, and if a low kicker tends to fixate on the legs, and doesn't respect your hands, just pop a nice hard right into the face. Then a couple more.

[Nick]

Block the kick and move in to a clinch, take him down.

[Hardball]

Take a Judo seminar.

[DickHardman]

i usually check low kicks and counter with a low kick of my own or a punch. you can also check the kick, and use the same leg you check with to deliver a front kick before you put your foot down from the check.

trying to catch a low kick is dangerous.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by jiuelie

How do you best get a lowkicker on the ground?
High kicks are the easiest (if you don't get hit in the head), and middle kicks are fairly simple.
But if he's kicking low, how can you trip him?
Just sweep the support leg, and take the kick?
Or block it, then go for an inside leg trip / hip takedown/ ankle takedown/ head grab?

Great question...

Already some good replies too.

One of the most basic of the 67 throws in Kodokan Judo is known as the forward foot sweep. De-ashi-harai


Knocking folks down is an art. The "trick" is timing. now if you can determine WHEN he's committed to putting that foot down it's a cinch.

If you retreat about a 1/4 - 1/2 step and make him advance (draw him) you sweep the kicking leg at the exact moment before he puts it down. His step is committed and his mass is moving forward. If you move his foot out of the way at THIS moment (after he needs it to land but before it touches the ground) he will fall.

This is also called the "advancing foot sweep" and requires him to be moving forward.


If on the other HAND. You prefer to just HIT HIM this is a fair counter to low kicks too. He will need to move rearward or off the line of (your) attack (often with circular or diagonal stepping). This opens him up to many more types of throws

Usually your own forward pressure will defeat the low kicker because he needs those feet to stay out of your way...

If you should decide you still want to topple him, there are lots of ways to do it. Judo is a great way to learn the basics. Many of these throws can be done easily without traditional grips or the gi in the so called clinch or grappling range...

Personally I prefer to attack before he kicks me. Just when he decides he's going to try it... boom. Hit him.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Tant01

If on the other HAND. You prefer to just HIT HIM this is a fair counter to low kicks too. He will need to move rearward or off the line of (your) attack (often with circular or diagonal stepping). This opens him up to many more types of throws

Usually your own forward pressure will defeat the low kicker because he needs those feet to stay out of your way...

forward pressure will not defeat a low kicker, it will only play into his game if he is even somewhat decent. it will let him take a nice angle on you so you basically walk into his kick which is coming the opposite way.......in fact thats how low kickers deal with punches. they wait for you to come with that punch then they can step outward, evade that punch, and deliver their kick. checking the kick and then countering with a strike of your own is your best answer imop.

inmop judo would not be the best answer to learning how to deal with leg kicks and strikes.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Great question...

Already some good replies too.

One of the most basic of the 67 throws in Kodokan Judo is known as the forward foot sweep. De-ashi-harai

Yeah, I like that throw with a wheeling kuzushi. My new instructor teaches it with an upward kuzushi which i think sucks. Tant, which Kuzushi do you prefer for De Ashi ?

[Hardball]

Never mind, I just finished reading your reply.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

inmop judo would not be the best answer to learning how to deal with leg kicks and strikes.

Advanced Judo (Brown Belt level and above) Is full of useful techniques for dealing with leg kicks.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

forward pressure will not defeat a low kicker, it will only play into his game if he is even somewhat decent. it will let him take a nice angle on you so you basically walk into his kick which is coming the opposite way.......in fact thats how low kickers deal with punches. they wait for you to come with that punch then they can step outward, evade that punch, and deliver their kick. checking the kick and then countering with a strike of your own is your best answer imop.

inmop judo would not be the best answer to learning how to deal with leg kicks and strikes.

DH, in all honesty I was thinking of the low straight (stomping) kick. The round kick is a devastating strike to be sure but the rule is the same. By closing the distance you force him to step off the line of (your) attack.
In order to lift his kicking leg off the ground, he must first transfer his weight onto his other leg. Therefore, you can stop his attempted kicks before they start by controlling his center of gravity. If you are successful in keeping his balance point between both legs, he will not be able to kick you.

Checking is good but it's still better to stay a step ahead and prevent him from getting the angle and range he NEEDS to launch that low kick.
Besides unless he's REALLY fast footed you can usually see it. Just kick him first!

By forward PRESSURE, I'm thinking straight blast style punching...

How long have you practiced Judo?

[Tant01]

Probably more than once before I mentioned another Judo throw on a thread started by HB. On a (very) similar subject.

I'm kinda surprised at how few artists we see using it.

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/kanibasami.htm

I wish I had 5.00$$ for everytime someone told me "that won't work..."

LOL

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Probably more than once before I mentioned another Judo throw on a thread started by HB. On a (very) similar subject.

I'm kinda surprised at how few artists we see using it.

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/kanibasami.htm

I wish I had 5.00$$ for everytime someone told me "that won't work..."

LOL

That's Cueng Le's pet move. I haven't done that throw since my black belt exam. LOL

[Garland]

"submarine" kick
throw a medium stength kick leg kick...get him checking at that height, and then cut underneath as hard as you can the next time you throw...he'll try to check it and you'll go under the check.

[jiuelie]

I usually do one of two things, both fairly dangerous.
Throw a front leg low to the back of his knee when he's kicking. If I time it right, he'll only kick my ass at most. If i'm fast enough I can even step completely out of his line, and kick the inside of his leg as he's pulling back the failed kick.
The other Method I use if he's a better kicker than me: I shoot straight when he kicks. At worst, his thigh will connect with my biceps or shoulder, while I bowl straight into his supporting leg.
WHat say you?