Mixed Martial Artists Should Carry a Weapon Or Have Practiced With One.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

One problem with all those. There is a DIFFERENCE between self defense and sport...

sport arts have been used for self defense for ages


just cause a guy trains in a sport art, it doesnt mean he isnt willing to carry or use weapons, or that he is not concerned with truly defending himself.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

sport arts have been used for self defense for ages

There are self-defense elements in combat sports, but the two are not the same.

Originally Posted by DickHardman

just cause a guy trains in a sport art, it doesnt mean he isnt willing to carry or use weapons, or that he is not concerned with truly defending himself.

In that case, the combat sport guy is cross training in self-defense.

[medic06]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

i agree, kingoftheforest used no logic, and was nothing more than a dick.

Don't try to put this on anyone else, Dick.

[medic06]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

sport arts have been used for self defense for ages


just cause a guy trains in a sport art, it doesnt mean he isnt willing to carry or use weapons, or that he is not concerned with truly defending himself.

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[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

There are self-defense elements in combat sports, but the two are not the same.



In that case, the combat sport guy is cross training in self-defense.

actually, a lot of sport arts have self defense aspects already included into them. also, a lot of people have used sport arts only for self defense.

all these guys who assume a martial artist who trains primarily in a sport art wont be able to defend himself or they are going to abide by competition rules are talking out there ass. just because some of you like medic and king are anti mma, it doesnt mean you can label all martial artists who choose to participate in a sport art or assume they dont know how to defend themselves.

i myself train in MT and bjj for self defense even though these arent specific self defense arts. my reason for this is because these arts build attributes, give me a proven delivery system, and increase the speed of reflexes. sport arts can be milked for their attributes and delivery systems and they can be used to defend yourself very well. the footwork, reflexes, accuracy, speed and hand control of boxing can easily make a person better at defending themselves with a blade or impact weapon etc.....you just need to know how to milk the art for the attributes and skills it can help you develop, and tailor it to your needs. i agree, not everyone can do that by themselves, but many martial artists can.

again, im not advocating one way over another. as i said, i think you need to know as much as possible from every source you find. and as for weapons, i think everyone should carry a blade or weapon with them no matter who they are, martial artist or not. never know when you may need it.

[PittBull]

What if the sports guy was a good street fighter before the "sport" got involved?? I agree comparing sport's with SD won't cut it, But the fundamentals of Timing, Distance, and Posture are the same... Just because you do something in the ring, doesn't mean your gonna do it in the 'streets'.. I cross train because I'm building a "Toolbox".. This toolbox can be carried anywhere I go... The hardest part of properly utilizing the tools in the box is knowing which one's to use at which time.. The only way I know to train for that is to get in the ring... A lot....With different fighters.... Different styles... Different sizes... for self defense or sport fighting I have one plan, Throw you down... After that I fight Openings or weakness of my opponent... My attacks are based on the opponents actions, No different if were on a padded floor or concrete.... Except a throw on a concrete surface pretty much ends the fight!!! And if I was scared enough to wont a weapon.. I'd use a pistol, bam bam bam wont even break a sweat plus you can fight multiple attackers... My .02

[kingoftheforest]

IMHO I prefer a blade. They can be carried more places are readily available. You can attack with them from more than one angel and they don't have to be reloaded and they never jam.

Most knives are less expensive than guns, easier to carry and people seem to feel more threatened by a knife than a gun (disclaimer: this is my opinion.)

Plus research has shown time and time again that knives can be drawn and deployed faster than guns in a CQC situation. I mean it's hard to explain to a judge why you thought a guy was a threat to your life from 25 feet away unless he had a drawn gun too.

[PittBull]

I've always heard 21 feet... Anyway cool trick give you buddy a marker and let him stand 21 or 25 feet away.. Simulate a pistol Air soft or something ,see if you can even get a shot off much less an accurate one.. I guarantee you'll get marked on... But if you step 45 degrees towards him he cant re-adjust in time and you'll probably get a couple point blank shots in... Oh and you'll still get marked on... First rule of a knife fight is your gonna get cut.. even knife vs gun..

[Dim Wit Moc]

I would like to think that many who compete in MMA have the common sense to know the difference between the ring and the street. To pull an "Alex Gong" and think that, "I'll handle this street situation just like I would matters in the ring, with my fists and my feet!" is not something that most would do.

I usually carry a folding knife and a kubaton. They are like a tube of Chap Stick. They are there if I should need them, and stay in my pocket if I don't. Our best weapon is our minds. Common sense keeps us out of most confrontations. If something comes up, the scenarious we have practiced, and played over in our minds so many times can be put into action.

I have used my training in awareness on a few occasions to make sure that a physical confrontation would not occur. If it does occur, I have both empty hands and other weapons at my disposal.

[kingoftheforest]

Originally Posted by Dim Wit Moc

I would like to think that many who compete in MMA have the common sense to know the difference between the ring and the street. To pull an "Alex Gong" and think that, "I'll handle this street situation just like I would matters in the ring, with my fists and my feet!" is not something that most would do.

I usually carry a folding knife and a kubaton. They are like a tube of Chap Stick. They are there if I should need them, and stay in my pocket if I don't. Our best weapon is our minds. Common sense keeps us out of most confrontations. If something comes up, the scenarious we have practiced, and played over in our minds so many times can be put into action.

I have used my training in awareness on a few occasions to make sure that a physical confrontation would not occur. If it does occur, I have both empty hands and other weapons at my disposal.

Thats what I'm talking about. Those last two posts were very intelligent and very thought provoking.

Thank you gentlemen.

[WildWest.]

Originally Posted by PittBull

What if the sports guy was a good street fighter before the "sport" got involved?? I agree comparing sport's with SD won't cut it, But the fundamentals of Timing, Distance, and Posture are the same... Just because you do something in the ring, doesn't mean your gonna do it in the 'streets'.. I cross train because I'm building a "Toolbox".. This toolbox can be carried anywhere I go... The hardest part of properly utilizing the tools in the box is knowing which one's to use at which time.. The only way I know to train for that is to get in the ring... A lot....With different fighters.... Different styles... Different sizes... for self defense or sport fighting I have one plan, Throw you down... After that I fight Openings or weakness of my opponent... My attacks are based on the opponents actions, No different if were on a padded floor or concrete.... Except a throw on a concrete surface pretty much ends the fight!!! And if I was scared enough to wont a weapon.. I'd use a pistol, bam bam bam wont even break a sweat plus you can fight multiple attackers... My .02

Fighting in the ring is great. But street self defence is still different. There is no consent, no warm-up, no preparation, you don't know your opponent, you might be wearing restrictive clothing, you might be sick, you might be injured, you might be blind sided/sucker punched, you might be carrying your baby/groceries, there might be more than one person, they might have a weapon, they might be on drugs, you don't wear gloves or a mouthpiece etc etc.

I'm not trying to critisize your training, it sounds like you have the best of intentions anyway, just making sure you are aware of the differences between the ring and the street. There are a lot more variables with training for the street as it is a much more uncontrolled environment.

"In the ring you win, in the streets you survive" (thank you Senshido).

[PittBull]

True... There's probably too many variables to adequately train in SD.... I believe there something's that you just can't control, but with intense training and a realistic focus You can be more prepared than the "Average Joe"..

"In the ring you win, in the streets you survive"

I like that... Good post's

[DickHardman]

...i picked up this little guy today.....

[WildWest.]

It is a good quote, but not one of mine. Check out www.senshido.com if you want to learn more about their philosophies on self defence and good luck with your training.

[Dim Wit Moc]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

...i picked up this little guy today.....

Nice. I like it.