Human Weapon on History Channel

[jeff5]

I'm a martial arts junkie, so I watch it. Has its moments, some good some bad. Overall its entertaining.

That being said, many of the arts they show in the episodes are just crap. I'd say that the best overall episode and the one with the best exhibition so far was the Muay Thai one.

I'll sum up my opinion of the episodes:

Loved the Muay Thai one. They showed 4 or 5 different variations of the Thai arts. The ring version (which was really good), some guys in white gis who wer enot very good, another guy teaching some monkey techinque that also wasn't very good, and then some guys in nothern thailand who I thought were very good and had good techinques, but still would get whipped by the ring guys. The exhibition fight was pretty good, obviously the Thai champion was going easy or he would have owned. You could tell that guys would whip serious ass if he wanted to.

Escrima. This episode was just OKAY. I like a lot fo Filipino Martial Arts, but honestly I never really liked Doce Pares much, and the WEKAF sparring is a good way to die against someone with a real heavy stick or with a blade. You want to spar with sticks? Go at it Dog Brothers sytle or something similar. (maybe not that extreme!) I loved seeing Leo Gaje, he's the real deal for sure. The fight at the end was a joke. The American MMA guy took the escrima guy down twice but it was "illegal". Yeah illegal fine, in a real fight that escrima guy would be toast. Yeah I know they're exhibition fights, but still....

Karate. Again, just okay. At least they stayed in Okinawa, and got a lot of the history (what we know of it) correct. So they weren't saying well Karate is Japanese etc... That being said they start with Kyokushinkai. Well, yes it has Okinawan roots, but Kyo is basically Shotokan with modifications. (okay a lot of modifications) Shotokan is from Okinawa sure, but lets remember Shotokan and many of the styles imported to Japan were modified so much and taught in such a way that they don't resemble the more combative Okinawan systems. Then they go to Uechi, which I kind of liked, then Shuri-te, which is very Okinawan. They ended with Morio Hiagoanna and Goju. Higaonna sensei always impresses me and he didn't fail on the show either. The fight at the end was aweful. Yeah the Kyo guys train kind of hard and definately have decent leg kicks. But the whole thing of not being able to punch to the head is just laughable. Training like that is just asking to be knocked out against a good kick boxer or in the street. I wasn't impressed to say the least.

Savate. Pretty good episode. I actually liked most of what thy showed during the program. The street fighting stuff was pretty good, and I really think those kicks with shoes directed at the low line or mid-section could be devestating. (being kicked in the head by one of those guys wouldn't be too nice either....) I liked the training methodology of most of the guys they showed, good, hard, pretty realistic. I laughed though when they were talking about holding your leg out ther to kick mutiple times. In my mind I see a leg held out there I think..gift! All that being said, I was extermely unimpressed with the Savate champ that the big moose fought. Yeah its an exhibition, but he just didn't seem very good.

Upcoming episdoes are:

Pankration
Krav Maga
Marine Corps Martial Arts (huh?)
MMA
Kung Fu (ONE episode on China? c'mon...)
Sambo
Bokator: Cambodian Blood Sport
Silat: Martial Art of Malaysia. (bit disappointed. I'm kind of a silat enthusiast, and even though I know there is good silat in Malaysia, I really think they should have at LEAST split the episode between Malaysia and Inodnesia)

[jeff5]

Must...delete...duplicate...post...!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by jubaji

I am not fuckin kidding you, its terrible. In any case, its geared towards an audience with absolutely zero knowledge about MAs, which I would assume is a demographic you are not a part of.

when has there ever been a better martial arts show on tv? exactly

its a really good show, especially cause theyre focising on all the "good" martial arts

[Mr. Arieson]

Originally Posted by jubaji

I am not fuckin kidding you, its terrible. In any case, its geared towards an audience with absolutely zero knowledge about MAs, which I would assume is a demographic you are not a part of.

That's correct Jubaji. What did you expect? For more detailed stuff, not for lay people, we can buy 100's of videos from martial arts supply companies. These would be 100% boring for 99% of America.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

when has there ever been a better martial arts show on tv? exactly

its a really good show, especially cause theyre focising on all the "good" martial arts

Are you related to one of those two doofuses or something?

[Garland]

Originally Posted by jeff5

But the whole thing of not being able to punch to the head is just laughable. Training like that is just asking to be knocked out against a good kick boxer or in the street. I wasn't impressed to say the least.

...that's how they fight. Dem's the rules. Most Karateka, Kyokushin dudes included, do the "full contact" ( ) kumite this way.

That's why the one's that fight in K-1...cross train alot with muay thai.

[bigboywasim]

I do Muay Thai and Kyokushin Kaikan. Muay Thai is overrated in my opinion. Yes it is one of the best styles for striking but people make it like it is unbeatable and only way anyone can survive against a Muay Thai guy is if one knows Muay Thai in the standup.

I learned Kyokushin first and Muay Thia later. The main thing was conditioning my shins being able to take punches to the face. I could take hella hits though. The reason is in Kyokoshin we have no gloves. We hit with our bare hands and it is twice as bad. We get kicked in the head. Sure we don't get punched in the face but a nice kick in the face once in a while will teach one how to take hits in the face.

There is no way that MMA guy would have beat a FMA guy in a real fight unless he new how to use the stick just as well or knife. That is what FMA is all about. These guys are the best at weapons and the main style of Dog Brothers is FMA. I also do FMA and got to watch them in action in the Bay Area and it was fun as hell. I don't think I am good enough to take a beating from them though.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

We hit with our bare hands and it is twice as bad. We get kicked in the head. Sure we don't get punched in the face but a nice kick in the face once in a while will teach one how to take hits in the face.

Um...actually...no.
With bare fists, you the rate of cuts bumps, and bruising goes up...but the hits aren't anywhere near as hard as those delivered with gloves.

with gloves = greater risk of internal injuries.

[bigboywasim]

Originally Posted by Garland

Um...actually...no.
With bare fists, you the rate of cuts bumps, and bruising goes up...but the hits aren't anywhere near as hard as those delivered with gloves.

with gloves = greater risk of internal injuries.

If the hits were to the head then I can understand that they can not be as hard because of a high chance of an injury risk. They are to the body at full power. A golve will soften the hit a little. With bare hands it will hurt more. Trust me I have experience.

There is a big difference in the gloves in MMA and the ones in K-1. You feel the hit more in MMA because the gloves are lighter. Same idea here. The K-1 guys usually have more power in their hands though because standup is all they do.

Imagine if boxers did not use gloves.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

Imagine if boxers did not use gloves.

I imagine alot of broken hands, and much longer rounds. Like John L. days.

[jeff5]

I realize those are the rules of Kyokushinkai, I'm just saying I think its a flawed training methodology. You train yourself to not guard your chin/face and keep your chin out like that, your asking to be knocked out. No doubt the Kyo guys are tough and can take a beating to the body. Just not guarding your head is bad bad bad.

I train FMA as well bigboywasim, have on and off for a long time, as well as weapons in other arts like Silat and Krabi Krabrong. There are many good techniques and training methodologies within the FMA. As with anything else though, there are also many techinques and training methodologies that I don't like and believe would get you killed. Unfortunatley the WEKAF stuff they showed in the beginning of the episode as well as how that FMA "champion" trained and fought against the MMA guy fall into the latter catergory in my opinion.

The FMA guy beating the MMA guy in a "real" fight? Define real. The MMA guy took him down and could have beat his head in when he was on the ground if there were no refs there. The way that FMA guy fought, if he fought under Dog Brothers rules, I think he would get his ass handed to him.

[bigboywasim]

Originally Posted by jeff5

I realize those are the rules of Kyokushinkai, I'm just saying I think its a flawed training methodology. You train yourself to not guard your chin/face and keep your chin out like that, your asking to be knocked out. No doubt the Kyo guys are tough and can take a beating to the body. Just not guarding your head is bad bad bad.

I train FMA as well bigboywasim, have on and off for a long time, as well as weapons in other arts like Silat and Krabi Krabrong. There are many good techniques and training methodologies within the FMA. As with anything else though, there are also many techinques and training methodologies that I don't like and believe would get you killed. Unfortunatley the WEKAF stuff they showed in the beginning of the episode as well as how that FMA "champion" trained and fought against the MMA guy fall into the latter catergory in my opinion.

The FMA guy beating the MMA guy in a "real" fight? Define real. The MMA guy took him down and could have beat his head in when he was on the ground if there were no refs there. The way that FMA guy fought, if he fought under Dog Brothers rules, I think he would get his ass handed to him.

I have watched the fight and know what you guys are talking about. There had to be rules of some kind or else there will be serious injury. I also find this way of stick fighting to suck. Do not think all FMA is like this. I like the way Dog Brothers fight.

What I am saying is that if your average MMA guy was fight your average Dog Brother guy he would get is ass handed to him if he did not have at lest descent weapon fighting skills.

In a real fight there are no masks or rules (street fight). So good wack to the face or head and you out. Or a nice slash or stab and you gone. No chance for a MMA guy to fight a FMA guy as long as he does not know FMA or any other weapon style. Since FMA is mainly a weapon style that is what I am talking about with weapons.

Now if you train fedor to be a blackbelt in FMA. I would pay 1000 dollars to watch him fight with the Dog Brothers.

[Garland]

...Remember they aren't using real sticks...and the disarm's stopped it.
The MMA guy had some FMA training...he didn't look too shabby. The other guy is a champion eskrimador.

The first disarm might've ended it...or a few strikes with a real stick...
and even those are used in place of the flattened hardwood sticks or machetes...

right?

The eskrimador would've won. The MMA guy was comfortable with a baston, but not s'much as the Doce Pares guy.

[jeff5]

Originally Posted by Garland

...
The first disarm might've ended it...or a few strikes with a real stick...
and even those are used in place of the flattened hardwood sticks or machetes...

A disarm with a machete is literally a dis-arm!

Yeah a hit with a Kamagong or Bahi stick, real fighting sticks, and stuff is breaking.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Lol exibition matches when? the thai, savate a karate fights were all FULL CONTACT the only part that was exibition was the fight to a draw part. Do you think the mma guy would do any kind of fight other than full contact that's like me doing a point fighting tournament or a junior rules(not full contact) tkd tournament lol It was great when perciville tenderized the mma guy with the baston though