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Smokey_D · 03-25-2001, 02:08 PM

Thanks for the info Ravenman!

I think this Pride only proves one thing: it's impossible to predict these matches!

There are so many variables that the outcomes are truly unpredictable almost everytime.

Karlinhos · 03-25-2001, 03:33 PM

some pretty amazing outcomes... thanks R...

03-26-2001, 02:07 PM

Wow.

I take some time off and the MMA world flips over again. Typical.

I think we have come almost full circle. Strikers with strong anti-grappling skills are really coming into their own. And yet, Telligman dominates Vovchanchin.

This is what I like about MMA these days...anyone can win. Plus, I don't have to feel guilty about all those years I spent studying striking instead of grappling.

Americana · 03-26-2001, 02:17 PM

The Goes and Gracie fights could only be considered "upsets" if you had your head in the sand. There seems to be this mind set with bjj guys that their guy will get a submission. Never mind that Coleman and Henderson have NEVER been submitted. It's just this blind faith. You might as well argue with a born again Christian about whether Christ actually walked on water.

One of the worst offenders is Hawk. You can't argue facts and logic with him.

bobby_steeles · 03-26-2001, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ronin
Plus, I don't have to feel guilty about all those years I spent studying striking instead of grappling.

must have been some worthless training.

03-26-2001, 02:22 PM

Americana:

What's amazing is how easily Coleman passed Goes' guard. I thought it would take him a while, and that he might have to go to decision.

If more wrestlers learn to do this, pure BJJ may no longer have a realistic chance of competing in MMA (unless some bigger guys get in there). Certainly the days of open-weight-class fighters are over. Nobody under 200 is going to beat Coleman.

03-26-2001, 02:23 PM

bobby:

What makes you say that?

Not that I care.

bobby_steeles · 03-26-2001, 02:39 PM

well obviously you do care so i'll spell it out for you. you implied that before strikers were winning in nhb, you felt guilty about studying striking--shotokan i believe? anyway, the fact that you have to rely on the success of other people to justify your own "striking" ability shows that you had no real confidence in it to begin with.

Twisted up · 03-26-2001, 06:59 PM

Does anyone know when the fight will be offered here in the US?

Thanks

John

phillyman · 03-26-2001, 07:09 PM

If my memory serve me right didnt Frank Shamrock beat Henderson in some one time only pay per view, by submission. I forget the name of it but judo gene label was a commentator. Twisted i believ the first us date is on Directv the 6th of april

03-26-2001, 07:46 PM

bobby:

It did seem for a few years like grappling made all striking useless. I am glad that is no longer the case.

I am not "shotokan", but to explain the difference to you would take too long.

I am reasonably confident in my abilities. Are you?

fil · 03-26-2001, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phillyman
If my memory serve me right didnt Frank Shamrock beat Henderson in some one time only pay per view, by submission.

This was the Contendors a submision grappling event years ago. Shamrock looked slick going from one leg submisions to another untill Henderson eventualy got caught.

phillyman · 03-26-2001, 08:02 PM

Thanks fil i have the tape around here somewhere i just couldnt remember the name of it.

Oberleutnant · 03-27-2001, 01:18 PM

Damn! Can't wait to get my hands on a copy. Great thread, Ravenman.

Ravenman · 03-27-2001, 04:47 PM

Susumu has PRIDE 13 pics up at his site (http://come.to/susumu), a sample is below, a pic of Sak vs Silva. Also, you can look at some good clips from the fights at http://kfreaks.virtualave.net/pride.htm

03-25-2001, 03:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Karlinhos Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 650 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	some pretty amazing outcomes... thanks R... __________________ www.grappletv.com - Accept the ORIGINATORS, not the DUPLICATORS...!!!

03-26-2001, 06:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
Twisted up Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pride showing in the US Does anyone know when the fight will be offered here in the US? Thanks John

03-26-2001, 07:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
phillyman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: philadelphia Posts: 219 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	anyone remember? If my memory serve me right didnt Frank Shamrock beat Henderson in some one time only pay per view, by submission. I forget the name of it but judo gene label was a commentator. Twisted i believ the first us date is on Directv the 6th of april

03-26-2001, 08:02 PM	#28 (permalink)
phillyman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: philadelphia Posts: 219 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	fil Thanks fil i have the tape around here somewhere i just couldnt remember the name of it.

03-27-2001, 04:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
Ravenman Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: New Orleans Posts: 77 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Susumu has PRIDE 13 pics up at his site (http://come.to/susumu), a sample is below, a pic of Sak vs Silva. Also, you can look at some good clips from the fights at http://kfreaks.virtualave.net/pride.htm __________________ To have more, you must first become more.

03-25-2001, 02:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Smokey_D Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 59 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info Ravenman! I think this Pride only proves one thing: it's impossible to predict these matches! There are so many variables that the outcomes are truly unpredictable almost everytime.

03-26-2001, 02:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. I take some time off and the MMA world flips over again. Typical. I think we have come almost full circle. Strikers with strong anti-grappling skills are really coming into their own. And yet, Telligman dominates Vovchanchin. This is what I like about MMA these days...anyone can win. Plus, I don't have to feel guilty about all those years I spent studying striking instead of grappling.

03-26-2001, 02:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Americana Novice Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 272 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Goes and Gracie fights could only be considered "upsets" if you had your head in the sand. There seems to be this mind set with bjj guys that their guy will get a submission. Never mind that Coleman and Henderson have NEVER been submitted. It's just this blind faith. You might as well argue with a born again Christian about whether Christ actually walked on water. One of the worst offenders is Hawk. You can't argue facts and logic with him.

03-26-2001, 02:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	Americana: What's amazing is how easily Coleman passed Goes' guard. I thought it would take him a while, and that he might have to go to decision. If more wrestlers learn to do this, pure BJJ may no longer have a realistic chance of competing in MMA (unless some bigger guys get in there). Certainly the days of open-weight-class fighters are over. Nobody under 200 is going to beat Coleman.

03-26-2001, 02:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	bobby: What makes you say that? Not that I care.

03-26-2001, 02:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 650 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	well obviously you do care so i'll spell it out for you. you implied that before strikers were winning in nhb, you felt guilty about studying striking--shotokan i believe? anyway, the fact that you have to rely on the success of other people to justify your own "striking" ability shows that you had no real confidence in it to begin with.

03-26-2001, 07:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ronin Guest Posts: n/a	bobby: It did seem for a few years like grappling made all striking useless. I am glad that is no longer the case. I am not "shotokan", but to explain the difference to you would take too long. I am reasonably confident in my abilities. Are you?

03-27-2001, 01:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
Oberleutnant Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Setting a small fire in your girl's panties Posts: 278 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Damn! Can't wait to get my hands on a copy. Great thread, Ravenman.

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