The Ultimate in Martial Arts

simonboyce · 10-17-2007, 12:45 PM

I'm really eager to try BJJ, but in May I separated my shoulder falling off my bike. I'm working on physical therapy to strengthen the muscles around there, but do you think this rules me out of BJJ?

**Hardball** · 10-17-2007, 12:52 PM

You should wait and rest. Jujitsu requires a lot of stress on the shoulders especially doing arm bars and taking falls. Rest up and make sure you are healed then go for it once you are 100%

simonboyce · 10-18-2007, 09:29 AM

Hardball: Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, I'll never be completely healed - the ligaments that attach my collar bone to my shoulder blade are completely ruptured, and 2 orthopedists have recommended against surgery. I'll always have some instability in my right shoulder. I'm thinking BJJ is not an option, sadly.

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 10:25 AM

I had severe shoulder problems from swimming, powerlifting and ukeing. Rest will do it. I healed mine without surgery. You need a good physical therapist. I was healed by using resistance bands. Talk to a P.T. How old are you? If I can heal in my 40's, I'm sure a younger man can heal. Remember R.I.C.E.

rest
ice
compress
elevate

Tom Yum · 10-18-2007, 12:59 PM

Good stuff from Hardball. If pain is an issue, consider accupunture?

simonboyce · 10-18-2007, 12:59 PM

Thanks for the encouragement Hardball. I'm 43 - an old man.

My plan is to see how far I can get it with PT, then there's a friendly BJJ gym near here and I'll go and check it out. Cheers.

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 01:19 PM

I just turned 50 and I must say I am going strong. My shoulders have been in remission for about 5 years.

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by simonboyce

My Plan is to see how far I can get it with PT, then there's a friendly BJJ gym near here and I'll go and check it out. Cheers.

As long as there are ego's there will be no friendly gyms. LOL

Tom Yum · 10-18-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by simonboyce

Thanks for the encouragement Hardball. I'm 43 - an old man..

Jack Lalanne is 92; I don't think he considers himself an old man...

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 02:23 PM

Also, BJJ should teach you how to fall properly just in case you fall off of your bike again.

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Jack Lalanne is 92; I don't think he considers himself an old man...

Yea, I borrow Viagra from him from time to time. LOL

simonboyce · 10-18-2007, 03:38 PM

Hardball - that's a very good point, about falling properly. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't plan to give up mountain biking, and falling off comes with the territory. Soon as my shoulder feels solid, i'll give BJJ a try.

One other thing - have you come across Indian Clubs? It's a kind of exercise that's supposed to be really good for shoulders.

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonboyce

Hardball - that's a very good point, about falling properly. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't plan to give up mountain biking, and falling off comes with the territory. Soon as my shoulder feels solid, i'll give BJJ a try.

One other thing - have you come across Indian Clubs? It's a kind of exercise that's supposed to be really good for shoulders.

That's one of the first things I learned in Japanese Jujitsu; how to fall properly. Hopefully BJJ will teach you how to fall also. Nope, never heard of Indian Clubs but my resistance band exercises worked wonders.

Laura · 10-18-2007, 05:26 PM

BTW, Jack turned 93 on September 23rd - and he says his wife smiles with good reason - make of it what you will....

**Hardball** · 10-18-2007, 05:30 PM

Nice story. Nothing like a happy wife.

10-17-2007, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
simonboyce Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Separated shoulder and BJJ I'm really eager to try BJJ, but in May I separated my shoulder falling off my bike. I'm working on physical therapy to strengthen the muscles around there, but do you think this rules me out of BJJ?

10-17-2007, 12:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	You should wait and rest. Jujitsu requires a lot of stress on the shoulders especially doing arm bars and taking falls. Rest up and make sure you are healed then go for it once you are 100% __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

10-18-2007, 10:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I had severe shoulder problems from swimming, powerlifting and ukeing. Rest will do it. I healed mine without surgery. You need a good physical therapist. I was healed by using resistance bands. Talk to a P.T. How old are you? If I can heal in my 40's, I'm sure a younger man can heal. Remember R.I.C.E. rest ice compress elevate __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

10-18-2007, 01:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I just turned 50 and I must say I am going strong. My shoulders have been in remission for about 5 years. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

10-18-2007, 02:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Also, BJJ should teach you how to fall properly just in case you fall off of your bike again. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

10-18-2007, 09:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
simonboyce Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hardball: Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, I'll never be completely healed - the ligaments that attach my collar bone to my shoulder blade are completely ruptured, and 2 orthopedists have recommended against surgery. I'll always have some instability in my right shoulder. I'm thinking BJJ is not an option, sadly.

10-18-2007, 12:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,573 Groans: 1 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts	Good stuff from Hardball. If pain is an issue, consider accupunture?

10-18-2007, 12:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
simonboyce Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the encouragement Hardball. I'm 43 - an old man. My plan is to see how far I can get it with PT, then there's a friendly BJJ gym near here and I'll go and check it out. Cheers.

10-18-2007, 03:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
simonboyce Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hardball - that's a very good point, about falling properly. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't plan to give up mountain biking, and falling off comes with the territory. Soon as my shoulder feels solid, i'll give BJJ a try. One other thing - have you come across Indian Clubs? It's a kind of exercise that's supposed to be really good for shoulders.

10-18-2007, 05:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
Laura Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	BTW, Jack turned 93 on September 23rd - and he says his wife smiles with good reason - make of it what you will....

10-18-2007, 05:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Nice story. Nothing like a happy wife. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

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